Jack Taylor wrote:
Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article ,
(Tom Anderson) wrote:

There is another option - if trains didn't visit Clapham Junction
at all, they could go from Imperial Wharf to Wandsworth Road
directly, without reversing. I don't have a track map to hand, but
ISTR that this can be done without conflicting movements across
other tracks.

Misses out a rather important traffic objective, though.

Another option would be to maintain the status quo on the West London
line and to continue Orbirail on from Willesden Junction to South
Acton, thence via South Acton Junction and Kew Junctions to join the
Brentford loop, running through Barnes and Putney to Clapham Junction
and on via Wandsworth Road, creating a true orbital service.
Gunnersbury to Richmond could then be turned over entirely to
District Line operation.

So how would a passenger get from Brondesbury Park to Kew Gardens?

The other option is to turn Clapham Junction into a local station and build
a replacement interchange at Queenstown Road station, which could also have
platforms on the Victoria-Kent lines and on the Wandsworth Road - Olympia
line. I think that would give a lot of curvy and possibly sloping platforms
though.

wrote:


Follow this link for a pictue of Platform 1 in use in 1971:-

http://johnlawontherails.fotopic.net/p37188651.html

Marc.


Thats splendid thanks very much.

mf

John Rowland wrote:

So how would a passenger get from Brondesbury Park to Kew Gardens?

Tough! ;-) Go to Chiswick and walk. How would you currently get from
Brondesbury Park to Chiswick?

No pain, no gain. Sadly, for every improvement in functionality there is
going to be some loss, whatever the solution.

On Jul 1, 3:08 pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
It may be but my point is that circular services can run properly if you
get non conflicting junctions and adequate signalling capacity. This is
what Berlin has got on its S Bahn and the service runs fine. The LU
proposals are an attempt to create reliability without the huge
construction costs of removing conflicting junctions of which there are
many on the Circle / District line.

There are six that affect the Circle directly - Praed Street, Baker
Street, Aldgate, Minories, Gloucester Road and HSK. Aldgate East also
affects the Circle, but not as directly.

On Jul 1, 10:47 pm, "Richard J." wrote:
The Queen's Park - Stratford service ia a post-2012 development that
requires extra stock on the Bakerloo Line, and assumes that the Clapham
J. - Willesden J. service will run via an electrified GOBLIN to Barking.

It doesn't - TfL's phasing ties the two together, but Network Rail
recommend the Queen's Park service go ahead in isolation from the
Bakerloo Line changes. Also, the Goblin-Clapham service is assumed to
be diesel in the proposals.

Your suggestion that all "they" care about is Camden Road - Stratford
doesn't fit well with the efforts they are making to create an orbital
rail service.

It's not my suggestion:
"The initial target will be the delivery of 8 trains per hour into
Stratford from the west, firstly because it is on the section to the
east of Camden Road that the greatest levels of overcrowding occur"
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/businessandpar...ions/2860.aspx

The suggested first phase service pattern may have 8 tph Camden -
Willesden, but the final phase doesn't, because it's not important in
the great scheme of things.

U

--
http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/

On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 23:14:30 GMT, Jack Taylor wrote:

So how would a passenger get from Brondesbury Park to Kew Gardens?

Tough! ;-) Go to Chiswick and walk. How would you currently get from
Brondesbury Park to Chiswick?

Although it may seem like just the replacement of one arbitrary set of
journey opportunities with another, people organise their lives (e.g.
locations of home/work) around the available transport services, and
it isn't entirely fair to just pull the rug out from under them.

On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 16:45:31 -0700, Mr Thant wrote:

The Queen's Park - Stratford service ia a post-2012 development that
requires extra stock on the Bakerloo Line, and assumes that the Clapham
J. - Willesden J. service will run via an electrified GOBLIN to Barking.

It doesn't - TfL's phasing ties the two together, but Network Rail
recommend the Queen's Park service go ahead in isolation from the
Bakerloo Line changes.

Although ISTR (from the Cross-London RUS?) that in that case the
trains couldn't reliably be reversed at Queen's Park amongst the
northbound Euston DC services (which would use the same platform), so
they'd have to run through to Willesden Junction and reverse in the
bay platform there instead. This would have a consequent negative
impact on Bakerloo performance.

In message . com,
brixtonite writes

I would expect the SLL service from London Victoria to be replaced by
the ELL service to clapham junction. I think the Victoria - Denmark
Hill - Lewisham service does share tracks with this in one direction
through Denmark Hill, but it needn't.

Wouldn't that leave Wandsworth Road and Clapham High Street without any
service to Central London? As I recall, there are no platforms on the
"Chatham" pair of tracks, only on the SLL pair.
--
Paul Terry

asdf wrote:

Although it may seem like just the replacement of one arbitrary set of
journey opportunities with another, people organise their lives (e.g.
locations of home/work) around the available transport services, and
it isn't entirely fair to just pull the rug out from under them.

One could argue exactly the same point about the reorganisation of
Circle/H&C services, for example.

I was simply providing a *suggestion* as to how a non-reversing Orbirail
service could be provided using the existing infrastructure - hence the ;-)
emoticon.

On Jul 2, 9:57 am, Paul Terry wrote:
In message . com,
brixtonite writes

I would expect the SLL service from London Victoria to be replaced by
the ELL service to clapham junction. I think the Victoria - Denmark
Hill - Lewisham service does share tracks with this in one direction
through Denmark Hill, but it needn't.

Wouldn't that leave Wandsworth Road and Clapham High Street without any
service to Central London? As I recall, there are no platforms on the
"Chatham" pair of tracks, only on the SLL pair.
--
Paul Terry



That's true.

At the moment, Victoria to Lewisham services usually cross to the SLL
side between Wandsworth Road and Clapham High Street, and then cross
back again between Denmark Hill and Peckham Rye.

In the other direction they usually cross to the SLL after Peckham Rye
and then it's about 50 : 50 whether they stay on that side through
Wandsworth Road and go the wiggly way, or cross to the "Chatham"
tracks after Clapham High Street and follow the main viaduct.

So you could maintain a service from Clapham High Street to Victoria
by putting stops in the Lewisham Services, but Wandsworth Road would
be left out, at least in one direction.

I don't understand the need for all the crossing, but maybe it's to
avoid the trains that feed into the "Chatham" tracks at Brixton.