Is it because the new building can't cope?

It's a disgrace, anyway.


María

On Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:43:41 +0100, "María"
wrote:

Is it because the new building can't cope?

It's a disgrace, anyway.

It's very unlikely to have anything to do with the ticket hall area and
everything to do with platform capacity. There is no point jamming
platforms so full of people that is impossible for them to move or let
people alight from trains. It would be irresponsible to allow a build up
of huge numbers of people underground who would then become stuck
because a disrupted train service could not get them cleared away.

I am speculating as to when you were affected by a closure but I believe
there were problems on both the Picc and Vic lines this evening and they
would be under further strain due to the Central Line problems. If the
station is closed it will be for safety reasons.

I agree it is inconvenient - I would not agree that it is a disgrace.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

Paul Corfield wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:43:41 +0100, "María"
wrote:

Is it because the new building can't cope?

It's a disgrace, anyway.

It's very unlikely to have anything to do with the ticket hall area
and everything to do with platform capacity. There is no point
jamming platforms so full of people that is impossible for them to
move or let people alight from trains. It would be irresponsible to
allow a build up of huge numbers of people underground who would
then become stuck because a disrupted train service could not get
them cleared away.

I am speculating as to when you were affected by a closure but I
believe there were problems on both the Picc and Vic lines this
evening and they would be under further strain due to the Central
Line problems. If the station is closed it will be for safety
reasons.

I agree it is inconvenient - I would not agree that it is a
disgrace.

The question posed by Maria was why do they *keep* closing King's Cross
in the rush hour, so I guess it wasn't just this evening that prompted
it. As you say, it's generally platform overcrowding that causes this,
and presumably therefore the Northern Ticket Hall won't make any
difference. Indeed it may make things worse by increasing the rate at
which passengers can reach the platforms.

Is it generally one specific line whose platforms fill up first (which
one?), or just whichever one happens to be the most disrupted that day?

It would be a disgrace if no solution was planned. So, what is supposed
to be the solution?
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

On 5 Jul, 21:25, "Richard J." wrote:
The question posed by Maria was why do they *keep* closing King's Cross
in the rush hour, so I guess it wasn't just this evening that prompted
it. As you say, it's generally platform overcrowding that causes this,
and presumably therefore the Northern Ticket Hall won't make any
difference. Indeed it may make things worse by increasing the rate at
which passengers can reach the platforms.

Is it generally one specific line whose platforms fill up first (which
one?), or just whichever one happens to be the most disrupted that day?


KX was also closed this *morning* at about 0915 (both ticket halls).
Fortunately King's Cross Thameslink was still open and I was able to
catch a rather packed train to Farringdon.

In my experience it only takes a problem on one of the deep-level
lines to trigger the complete closure of the deep-level station.

PaulO

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
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On Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:43:41 +0100, "María"
wrote:

Is it because the new building can't cope?

It's a disgrace, anyway.

It's very unlikely to have anything to do with the ticket hall area and
everything to do with platform capacity. There is no point jamming
platforms so full of people that is impossible for them to move or let
people alight from trains. It would be irresponsible to allow a build up
of huge numbers of people underground who would then become stuck
because a disrupted train service could not get them cleared away.

I am speculating as to when you were affected by a closure but I believe
there were problems on both the Picc and Vic lines this evening and they
would be under further strain due to the Central Line problems. If the
station is closed it will be for safety reasons.

I agree it is inconvenient - I would not agree that it is a disgrace.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

Kings Cross was certainly closed last night at about 7pm and last Friday as
I remember - not sure about tonight, but could be likely due to the
multitude of problems
It is frustrating, but is done for good reasons. I was nearly trampled at
Kings Cross a few years ago during some major overcrowding. I now change at
Euston and try and avoid Kings Cross during rush hour if I can

Is it generally one specific line whose platforms fill up first (which
one?), or just whichever one happens to be the most disrupted that day?

It would be a disgrace if no solution was planned. So, what is supposed
to be the solution?
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

In my experience, it's usually the Northern and /or Picc Line platforms.
I'm usually just passing through these days, but when I was entering and
leaving the system at Kings Cross, I was scared for my life just in the
ticket hall on a number of occasions. The layout is a bit better now it has
been re-furbished, but I wonder how it will change when Eurostar services
start

On Jul 5, 9:25 pm, "Richard J." wrote:
Paul Corfield wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:43:41 +0100, "María"
wrote:

Is it because the new building can't cope?

It's a disgrace, anyway.

It's very unlikely to have anything to do with the ticket hall area
and everything to do with platform capacity. There is no point
jamming platforms so full of people that is impossible for them to
move or let people alight from trains. It would be irresponsible to
allow a build up of huge numbers of people underground who would
then become stuck because a disrupted train service could not get
them cleared away.

I am speculating as to when you were affected by a closure but I
believe there were problems on both the Picc and Vic lines this
evening and they would be under further strain due to the Central
Line problems. If the station is closed it will be for safety
reasons.

I agree it is inconvenient - I would not agree that it is a
disgrace.

The question posed by Maria was why do they *keep* closing King's Cross
in the rush hour, so I guess it wasn't just this evening that prompted
it. As you say, it's generally platform overcrowding that causes this,
and presumably therefore the Northern Ticket Hall won't make any
difference. Indeed it may make things worse by increasing the rate at
which passengers can reach the platforms.

Is it generally one specific line whose platforms fill up first (which
one?), or just whichever one happens to be the most disrupted that day?

It would be a disgrace if no solution was planned. So, what is supposed
to be the solution?




Oxford Circus has been closing several times a day for years. If one
complains, one gets responses about "emergency procedures".

So it's a rather routine emergency, and clearly no one has any
intention of doing anything about it.

KX was also closed this *morning* at about 0915 (both ticket halls).
Fortunately King's Cross Thameslink was still open and I was able to
catch a rather packed train to Farringdon.

I'd somehow managed to blank that from memory. Was actually some benefit to
me as it cut down on my Victoria line delay a little bit and I just about
made it in time. A lot of peeved Victoria Line passengers though :-)

On 5 Jul, 20:16, Paul Corfield wrote:
I agree it is inconvenient - I would not agree that it is a disgrace.

I would. As other people have said , its usually down to the northern
line platforms being packed. The other 5 lines serving the area
normally run ok. All they need to stop is just prevent northern line
trains stopping at the station , make announcements to that effect and
leave the station open for everyone else. But obviously that would
require a bit of effort on the part of LU whereas closing the whole
station is so much easier as then the staff can just drink tea and
watch TV for 30 mins.

B2003

On 6 Jul, 09:40, Boltar wrote:


I would. As other people have said , its usually down to the northern
line platforms being packed. The other 5 lines serving the area
normally run ok. All they need to stop is just prevent northern line
trains stopping at the station , make announcements to that effect and
leave the station open for everyone else.

If they prevent Northern Line trains stopping at the station, then the
people already on the crowded platforms won't be able to get on a
train, and the overcrowding will remain.

And even they did make announcements telling people not to go to the
Northern Line, the typical commuter would either not hear or not
obey. You'd need a physical barrier to stop people getting to the
platforms, while still allowing arriving passengers out. I don't
think there's room for building turnstiles in the narrow corridors
there.

But, hey, don't let boring old facts spoil the fun of your ridiculous
rant!

But obviously that would
require a bit of effort on the part of LU whereas closing the whole
station is so much easier as then the staff can just drink tea and
watch TV for 30 mins.