On Sep 3, 11:00 am, congokid wrote:
It's the same in supermarket check out queues: the person in front of
you will wait 10 or more minutes to be served, but only begins digging
around for their purse after the cashier announces the total spend.

Indeed. Always seems to come as a total surprise to them that they
have to pay.

B2003

At Euston the direction of the escalators between the tube station and the mainline station concourse are swapped around at weekends.

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On 1 Sep, 19:36, Boltar wrote:
I can't help thinking that the escalators would get more people up and
down them in a given time if people could stand on both sides in the
rush hour since you always get a (sometimes dangerously) large queue
for the right side and far fewer people going on the left (plus theres
always some idiot tourist who can't read who blocks it anyway). I
realise it might inconvenience people in a hurry but I reckon the pros
would outweight the cons.

Opinions?

They should stop the escalators completly in rush hour -- people would
walk on both sides. It would speed things up and make people healthier
(and thinner, meaning more room on the trains in the long run)


I'm sure those who have disibilites or luggage would thank you for that
idea! I'm assuming ambluances will be parked outside to cope with the
increase in heart / asthma attacks as well.

On Sat, 1 Sep 2007, Boltar wrote:

I can't help thinking that the escalators would get more people up and
down them in a given time if people could stand on both sides in the
rush hour since you always get a (sometimes dangerously) large queue for
the right side and far fewer people going on the left (plus theres
always some idiot tourist who can't read who blocks it anyway). I
realise it might inconvenience people in a hurry but I reckon the pros
would outweight the cons.

People who stand on escalators clearly aren't in a hurry; if they were,
they'd be walking [1]. Thus, speeding up their passage along the escalator
is pointless, and doing it at the expense of slowing down people who
actualy are in a hurry, doubly so.

The point about increasing throughput to avoid crowds forming is a good
one, but as another poster pointed out, it might just lead to moving the
crowd elsewhere. Still, if it's an up escalator, moving the crowd from the
platforms to the ticket hall might be a good thing from a safety
perspective.

tom

[1] Excluding those with luggage, the mobility impaired, the terminally
lazy, etc

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Thinking about it, history begins now -- sarah

On Sep 4, 12:34 pm, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sat, 1 Sep 2007, Boltar wrote:
I can't help thinking that the escalators would get more people up and
down them in a given time if people could stand on both sides in the
rush hour since you always get a (sometimes dangerously) large queue for
the right side and far fewer people going on the left (plus theres
always some idiot tourist who can't read who blocks it anyway). I
realise it might inconvenience people in a hurry but I reckon the pros
would outweight the cons.

People who stand on escalators clearly aren't in a hurry; if they were,
they'd be walking [1]. Thus, speeding up their passage along the escalator
is pointless, and doing it at the expense of slowing down people who
actualy are in a hurry, doubly so.

The point about increasing throughput to avoid crowds forming is a good
one, but as another poster pointed out, it might just lead to moving the
crowd elsewhere. Still, if it's an up escalator, moving the crowd from the
platforms to the ticket hall might be a good thing from a safety
perspective.

tom



I've never been claustrophobic, but getting off the Jubilee in the
morning rush hour does make me feel nervous. A very confined area,
very far below ground, crammed solid most days. Getting the maximum
number of people up the escalator is a Good Thing without doubt.

On Sep 4, 8:51 pm, MIG wrote:
On Sep 4, 12:34 pm, Tom Anderson wrote:





On Sat, 1 Sep 2007, Boltar wrote:
I can't help thinking that the escalators would get more people up and
down them in a given time if people could stand on both sides in the
rush hour since you always get a (sometimes dangerously) large queue for
the right side and far fewer people going on the left (plus theres
always some idiot tourist who can't read who blocks it anyway). I
realise it might inconvenience people in a hurry but I reckon the pros
would outweight the cons.

People who stand on escalators clearly aren't in a hurry; if they were,
they'd be walking [1]. Thus, speeding up their passage along the escalator
is pointless, and doing it at the expense of slowing down people who
actualy are in a hurry, doubly so.

The point about increasing throughput to avoid crowds forming is a good
one, but as another poster pointed out, it might just lead to moving the
crowd elsewhere. Still, if it's an up escalator, moving the crowd from the
platforms to the ticket hall might be a good thing from a safety
perspective.

tom

I've never been claustrophobic, but getting off the Jubilee in the
morning rush hour does make me feel nervous. A very confined area,
very far below ground, crammed solid most days. Getting the maximum
number of people up the escalator is a Good Thing without doubt.-

I meant at Bond Street, by the way, built for a very different line
from what the Jubilee is now.

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:53:06 -0700, MIG
wrote:

I meant at Bond Street, by the way, built for a very different line
from what the Jubilee is now.

If you want claustrophobic on LUL, try changing from the Northern Line
to DLR at Bank. Or, worse, try changing from DLR to the Northern Line
when a train has just arrived and hundreds of people are trying to do
the opposite down a low-ceilinged stairway that's barely wide enough
for two abreast.

Neil

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Put my first name before the at to reply.

Neil Williams wrote:

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:53:06 -0700, MIG
wrote:


I meant at Bond Street, by the way, built for a very different line

from what the Jubilee is now.


I have thought about that sometimes... If the Jubilee Line had been
extended from Charing Cross through City and then down the East London
Line instead as it was initially planned to be, had that really meant
that much fewer interchanges/entries/exits to/from Jubilee at Bond
Street compared to the situation today? Not necessarily, or? In case
not, why was Bond Street built the way it was? Was is planned to be
rebuilt when the line was finally extended (not likely)? (About the same
wonderings about Green Park.)

If you want claustrophobic on LUL, try changing from the Northern Line
to DLR at Bank. Or, worse, try changing from DLR to the Northern Line
when a train has just arrived and hundreds of people are trying to do
the opposite down a low-ceilinged stairway that's barely wide enough
for two abreast.


That last example is one of the worst I know in London, pretty much an
"I am lucky if I survive"-feeling. Doing it using Oyster PAYG and having
to get to the Oyster readers on the way adds some further excitement.

--
Olof Lagerkvist
ICQ: 724451
Web: http://here.is/olof

On Tue, 4 Sep 2007, MIG wrote:

On Sep 4, 12:34 pm, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sat, 1 Sep 2007, Boltar wrote:

I can't help thinking that the escalators would get more people up and
down them in a given time if people could stand on both sides in the
rush hour since you always get a (sometimes dangerously) large queue
for the right side and far fewer people going on the left (plus theres
always some idiot tourist who can't read who blocks it anyway). I
realise it might inconvenience people in a hurry but I reckon the pros
would outweight the cons.

The point about increasing throughput to avoid crowds forming is a good
one, but as another poster pointed out, it might just lead to moving
the crowd elsewhere. Still, if it's an up escalator, moving the crowd
from the platforms to the ticket hall might be a good thing from a
safety perspective.

I've never been claustrophobic, but getting off the Jubilee in the
morning rush hour does make me feel nervous. A very confined area, very
far below ground, crammed solid most days. Getting the maximum number
of people up the escalator is a Good Thing without doubt.

It was like that at Euston this morning - coming from the northbound
Northern/Victoria platforms, the queue for the escalators ran halfway down
the passageway.

And another thing! Those little wheelie briefcases - BAN THEM! For
suitcases, fair enough, it's a sensible way to move them, but i see an
sizeable number of people, mostly but not exclusively women, with really
quite small bags on wheels which they drag behind them. We're talking
something the size of a suitcase or a small handbag, smaller than my
rucksack, which could quite easily be carried. They take up enough space
for someone to walk in, just so the dragger can be saved the effort of
actually carrying their possessions. Fine if you're somewhere with space
to spare, but if you're in the underground, that's just selfish. BAN AND
INCINERATE.

tom

--
Nullius in verba

On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 11:00:15 +0100, Tom Anderson
wrote:

And another thing! Those little wheelie briefcases - BAN THEM! For
suitcases, fair enough, it's a sensible way to move them, but i see an
sizeable number of people, mostly but not exclusively women, with really
quite small bags on wheels which they drag behind them. We're talking
something the size of a suitcase or a small handbag, smaller than my
rucksack, which could quite easily be carried. They take up enough space
for someone to walk in, just so the dragger can be saved the effort of
actually carrying their possessions. Fine if you're somewhere with space
to spare, but if you're in the underground, that's just selfish. BAN AND
INCINERATE.

*applause*

they can be very dangerous as they are mobile tripping hazards and
people use them quite deliberately to carve a path for themselves. One
day someone will trip over one and end up under a train.
--
Paul C


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