On 26 June, 14:04, wrote:
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On 26 June, 12:44, wrote:
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(Richard J.) wrote:

wrote on 25 June 2009 16:34:33 ....
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(John B) wrote:

It's possible that my brain was entirely frazzled by jetlag,
but I'm *sure* I was pleasantly surprised to find a direct
lift from the Picc platforms to the District platforms when
changing at EC on a return trip from Heathrow last year. If
I'm wrong then Colin's closer to right than I thought.

I can't think where that lift is then. I thought the lifts on
the District platforms only went up to the footbridge and the
lift from the Piccadilly was the modern version of the
originals whose upper landing is at ticket hall level.

That's correct. *And just to clarify, the footbridge over the
District platforms is at ticket hall lavel.

So, as I thought, there is no remotely direct route from
Piccadilly to District platforms, then?

Correct -- even the stairs-free route involves a fair amount of
walking. It's far better to change between the lines at Baron's
Court (unless travelling between the Wimbledon and Acton Town
routes).

I was specifically referring to journeys between East Putney and
King's Cross! Baron's Court is no use there.

Go on to Edgware Road and stay in the train when it comes back, change
at Paddington, same-platform to Teacup to Kings Cross via Victoria and
Liverpool Street.

What could be more convenient?

I think you've answered your own question there. Compare the journey times.

I know. I was just being delightfully hilarious.

(In any case, you might as well do the equivalent by changing at Earls
Court and somewhere else on the way to Tower Hill to do it
anticlockwise, but still slow.)

On Jun 26, 2:08*pm, MIG wrote:
On 26 June, 14:04, wrote:



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(MIG) wrote:
On 26 June, 12:44, wrote:
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(Recliner) wrote:
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(Richard J.) wrote:

wrote on 25 June 2009 16:34:33 ....
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(John B) wrote:

It's possible that my brain was entirely frazzled by jetlag,
but I'm *sure* I was pleasantly surprised to find a direct
lift from the Picc platforms to the District platforms when
changing at EC on a return trip from Heathrow last year. If
I'm wrong then Colin's closer to right than I thought.

I can't think where that lift is then. I thought the lifts on
the District platforms only went up to the footbridge and the
lift from the Piccadilly was the modern version of the
originals whose upper landing is at ticket hall level.

That's correct. *And just to clarify, the footbridge over the
District platforms is at ticket hall lavel.

So, as I thought, there is no remotely direct route from
Piccadilly to District platforms, then?

Correct -- even the stairs-free route involves a fair amount of
walking. It's far better to change between the lines at Baron's
Court (unless travelling between the Wimbledon and Acton Town
routes).

I was specifically referring to journeys between East Putney and
King's Cross! Baron's Court is no use there.

Go on to Edgware Road and stay in the train when it comes back, change
at Paddington, same-platform to Teacup to Kings Cross via Victoria and
Liverpool Street.

What could be more convenient?

I think you've answered your own question there. Compare the journey times.

I know. *I was just being delightfully hilarious.

(In any case, you might as well do the equivalent by changing at Earls
Court and somewhere else on the way to Tower Hill to do it
anticlockwise, but still slow.)

Why change at Earls Court? Half of Wimbledon branch trains are still
City, aren't they?

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

On 26 June, 14:12, John B wrote:
On Jun 26, 2:08*pm, MIG wrote:





On 26 June, 14:04, wrote:

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(MIG) wrote:
On 26 June, 12:44, wrote:
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(Recliner) wrote:
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m
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(Richard J.) wrote:

wrote on 25 June 2009 16:34:33 ...
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(John B) wrote:

It's possible that my brain was entirely frazzled by jetlag,
but I'm *sure* I was pleasantly surprised to find a direct
lift from the Picc platforms to the District platforms when
changing at EC on a return trip from Heathrow last year. If
I'm wrong then Colin's closer to right than I thought.

I can't think where that lift is then. I thought the lifts on
the District platforms only went up to the footbridge and the
lift from the Piccadilly was the modern version of the
originals whose upper landing is at ticket hall level.

That's correct. *And just to clarify, the footbridge over the
District platforms is at ticket hall lavel.

So, as I thought, there is no remotely direct route from
Piccadilly to District platforms, then?

Correct -- even the stairs-free route involves a fair amount of
walking. It's far better to change between the lines at Baron's
Court (unless travelling between the Wimbledon and Acton Town
routes).

I was specifically referring to journeys between East Putney and
King's Cross! Baron's Court is no use there.

Go on to Edgware Road and stay in the train when it comes back, change
at Paddington, same-platform to Teacup to Kings Cross via Victoria and
Liverpool Street.

What could be more convenient?

I think you've answered your own question there. Compare the journey times.

I know. *I was just being delightfully hilarious.

(In any case, you might as well do the equivalent by changing at Earls
Court and somewhere else on the way to Tower Hill to do it
anticlockwise, but still slow.)

Why change at Earls Court? Half of Wimbledon branch trains are still
City, aren't they?


Yes, whatever comes first. It might be quicker to change at Earls
Court if there isn't one for a while.

But still a long way round.

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(John B) wrote:

On Jun 26, 2:08*pm, MIG wrote:
On 26 June, 14:04, wrote:

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(MIG) wrote:
On 26 June, 12:44, wrote:
In article ,
(Recliner) wrote:
wrote in message
m
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(Richard J.) wrote:

wrote on 25 June 2009
16:34:33 ... In article
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(John B) wrote:

It's possible that my brain was entirely frazzled by
j etlag, but I'm *sure* I was pleasantly surprised to
find a direct lift from the Picc platforms to the
District platforms when changing at EC on a return
trip from Heathrow last year. If I'm wrong then
Colin's closer to right than I thought.

I can't think where that lift is then. I thought the lifts
on the District platforms only went up to the footbridge
and the lift from the Piccadilly was the modern version
of the originals whose upper landing is at ticket hall
level.

That's correct. *And just to clarify, the footbridge over
the District platforms is at ticket hall lavel.

So, as I thought, there is no remotely direct route from
Piccadilly to District platforms, then?

Correct -- even the stairs-free route involves a fair amount
of walking. It's far better to change between the lines at
Baron's Court (unless travelling between the Wimbledon and
Acton Town routes).

I was specifically referring to journeys between East Putney and
King's Cross! Baron's Court is no use there.

Go on to Edgware Road and stay in the train when it comes back,
change at Paddington, same-platform to Teacup to Kings Cross via
Victoria and Liverpool Street.

What could be more convenient?

I think you've answered your own question there. Compare the journey
times.

I know. *I was just being delightfully hilarious.

(In any case, you might as well do the equivalent by changing at Earls
Court and somewhere else on the way to Tower Hill to do it
anticlockwise, but still slow.)

Why change at Earls Court? Half of Wimbledon branch trains are still
City, aren't they?

Exactly. If you are going to go most of the long way round the Circle you
might as well get a City train and make a same-platform interchange
anywhere between Gloucester Road (Eastbound)/South Kensington (Westbound)
and Tower Hill (or Monument Eastbound if the train terminates at Tower
Hill).

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Recliner wrote:
"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote in message

Recliner wrote:

I assume the other option to 'break the Circle' would be to make use
of the vacated FCC tracks at Barbican to provide a (turnback) siding
or additional platform for Circle line trains. This might, for
example, be used to hold a spare train to be deployed if the there's
a big gap in Circle services, with one of the bunched trains then
replacing it there.
Baker Street to Moorgate is one of the most congested sections of
track and may not be able to take the extra trains involved. Also
reversing at Moorgate involves crossing the tracks from the other
direction and opens up all manner of delay risks.

I was thinking of moving the inner Circle roue to the former widened
lines tracks, with the current inner Circle becoming the siding/extra
track.



You could possibly have a pair of reversing sidings usable by trains
terminating eastbound at Farringdon or westbound at Barbican, which
might give useful delay/perturbation recovery options. Put them between
the main running lines and there would be no conflictions.

The problem would be that it's basically all tunnel along there, so it
might be hard/expensive to slew the Inner Rail into the southern
alignment, depending on how Smithfield Market and the Barbican are held up.

Tom

On 26 June, 15:03, wrote:
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(John B) wrote:
On Jun 26, 2:08*pm, MIG wrote:
On 26 June, 14:04, wrote:

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,

(MIG) wrote:
On 26 June, 12:44, wrote:
In article ,
(Recliner) wrote:
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m
In article
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(Richard J.) wrote:

wrote on 25 June 2009
16:34:33 ... In article
,
(John B) wrote:

It's possible that my brain was entirely frazzled by
j etlag, but I'm *sure* I was pleasantly surprised to
find a direct lift from the Picc platforms to the
District platforms when changing at EC on a return
trip from Heathrow last year. If I'm wrong then
Colin's closer to right than I thought.

I can't think where that lift is then. I thought the lifts
on the District platforms only went up to the footbridge
and the lift from the Piccadilly was the modern version
of the originals whose upper landing is at ticket hall
level.

That's correct. *And just to clarify, the footbridge over
the District platforms is at ticket hall lavel.

So, as I thought, there is no remotely direct route from
Piccadilly to District platforms, then?

Correct -- even the stairs-free route involves a fair amount
of walking. It's far better to change between the lines at
Baron's Court (unless travelling between the Wimbledon and
Acton Town routes).

I was specifically referring to journeys between East Putney and
King's Cross! Baron's Court is no use there.

Go on to Edgware Road and stay in the train when it comes back,
change at Paddington, same-platform to Teacup to Kings Cross via
Victoria and Liverpool Street.

What could be more convenient?

I think you've answered your own question there. Compare the journey
times.

I know. *I was just being delightfully hilarious.

(In any case, you might as well do the equivalent by changing at Earls
Court and somewhere else on the way to Tower Hill to do it
anticlockwise, but still slow.)

Why change at Earls Court? Half of Wimbledon branch trains are still
City, aren't they?

Exactly. If you are going to go most of the long way round the Circle you
might as well get a City train and make a same-platform interchange
anywhere between Gloucester Road (Eastbound)/South Kensington (Westbound)
and Tower Hill (or Monument Eastbound if the train terminates at Tower
Hill).

--
Colin Rosenstiel-

Bear in mind I wasn't making a serious proposal in the first place ...
the problem remains as you've stated.

Recliner wrote:
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I was specifically referring to journeys between East Putney and
King's Cross! Baron's Court is no use there.

Ah, I'd lost track of that.

I'm surprised. Colin's East Putney to King's Cross journey is one of the
most discussed journeys on this newsgroup, Google records showed...

:-)

Paul S

On 26 June, 09:11, wrote:
So, as I thought, there is no remotely direct route from Piccadilly to
District platforms, then?

In the next few years you'll gain the option of step-free changes onto
Thameslink at Blackfriars and possibly one day changing onto the
Victoria Line at Victoria.


U

"Tom Barry" wrote in message

Recliner wrote:
"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote in message

Recliner wrote:

I assume the other option to 'break the Circle' would be to make
use of the vacated FCC tracks at Barbican to provide a (turnback)
siding or additional platform for Circle line trains. This might,
for example, be used to hold a spare train to be deployed if the
there's a big gap in Circle services, with one of the bunched
trains then replacing it there.
Baker Street to Moorgate is one of the most congested sections of
track and may not be able to take the extra trains involved. Also
reversing at Moorgate involves crossing the tracks from the other
direction and opens up all manner of delay risks.

I was thinking of moving the inner Circle roue to the former widened
lines tracks, with the current inner Circle becoming the siding/extra
track.



You could possibly have a pair of reversing sidings usable by trains
terminating eastbound at Farringdon or westbound at Barbican, which
might give useful delay/perturbation recovery options. Put them
between the main running lines and there would be no conflictions.

The problem would be that it's basically all tunnel along there, so it
might be hard/expensive to slew the Inner Rail into the southern
alignment, depending on how Smithfield Market and the Barbican are
held up.

There seems to be plenty of space near Farringdon, but I've no idea how
feasible it would be at the Barbican end.

Recliner wrote:
"Tom Barry" wrote in message


You could possibly have a pair of reversing sidings usable by trains
terminating eastbound at Farringdon or westbound at Barbican, which
might give useful delay/perturbation recovery options. Put them
between the main running lines and there would be no conflictions.

The problem would be that it's basically all tunnel along there, so
it might be hard/expensive to slew the Inner Rail into the southern
alignment, depending on how Smithfield Market and the Barbican are
held up.

There seems to be plenty of space near Farringdon, but I've no idea
how feasible it would be at the Barbican end.

A number of previous discussions seem to have concluded that rejigging the
tracks between Farringdon and Barbican is theoretically possible, but
immediately east of Barbican and towards Moorgate is pretty much a non
starter, due to the supports for buildings above. It would be interesting to
see some plans though.

If I were a betting man I reckon the likeliest use of the various spare
tracks and platforms around that part of the route is for S stock
stabling...

Paul S