In article ,
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 08:50:24 on Tue, 21 Aug
2012, d remarked:

That works if there is a turn-up and go service everywhere, or the map

Is there a metro system in the world that isn't turn up and go?

When does that kick in... 4tph? I'm sure we can find a 3tph Metro.

4tph is starting to be turn-up-and-go; 6tph absolutly is.

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On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 02:47:38PM +0000, d wrote:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:57:10 +0200 Jarle H Knudsen wrote:
I need about two and half charges a day on my Samsung Galaxy S II, so I
carry extra batteries and have a separate battery charger. Problem solved.
Meanwhile my Nokia dumbphone will go a week on a single charge in normal use.

I think we can summarise this as:

* useful devices get used a lot and so use power;
* not very useful devices get used less and so use less power

Mind you, needing to be charged two or three times a day is excessive.
I'd take the thing back to the shop, as there must be something wrong
with it.

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On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 01:04:30PM +0000, d wrote:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:29:34 +0100 David Cantrell wrote:
price of manufacturing smartphones is dropping quickly (retail price,
unsubsidised, has already dropped from hundreds of pounds to tens of
pounds),
Depends. You can pick up some old symbian stuff for 90 quid but thats
about as low as it goes at the moment.

http://www.reghardware.com/2012/08/2...ndroid_phones/

The lowest in that list is 70 quid.

Once almost everyone can afford a smartphone, or they start being given
away "for free" with a phone contract, the cost of manufacturing
There are not being given away and they're not free as you well know or you
wouldn't have put it in quotes. Contracts cost a fortune and they get the
full retail price of the phone back and then some over the period.

So? This is no different from dumbphones.

Already a quarter of adults have a smartphone and half of all teenagers.
Got a link for that?

http://media.ofcom.org.uk/2011/08/04...o-smartphones/

which are the top three categories of paid-for content/applications on
phones? They a
* games
Don't care, I'm not 15.

Nor are most people who play games.

* music
Don't care.

Whether you care is not important.

* travel
Can use a proper computer for that or visit a travel agents.
That really the best you've got?

The point is that this demonstrates that, contrary to your foolish
assertions, people find a smartphone to be useful for travel
information.

And don't you think it would be better to take a tiny pocket-sized
device on holiday instead of a "proper computer"?

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On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 03:49:29PM +0000, d wrote:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:04:09 +0100 Mike Bristow wrote:
Indeed; I have one myself for the battery life and small size. And a
smartphone. Horses for courses, innit?
Apart from not needing one the other main reason I don't have a smartphone is
size. I don't want to go back to a 1990s style brick in my pocket.

Ah, so as well as obviously not having actually seen the sort of
navigation software you criticise so heavily, you've also not actually
seen a smartphone.

Is there anything else you'd like to demonstrate your ignorance about
for our amusement? Perhaps you could expound upon the contents of my
fridge, or the mating habits of the mice that live on the dark side
of the moon?

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On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:33:25 +0100
David Cantrell wrote:
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 01:04:30PM +0000, d wrote:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:29:34 +0100 David Cantrell
wrote:
price of manufacturing smartphones is dropping quickly (retail price,
unsubsidised, has already dropped from hundreds of pounds to tens of
pounds),
Depends. You can pick up some old symbian stuff for 90 quid but thats
about as low as it goes at the moment.

http://www.reghardware.com/2012/08/2...ndroid_phones/

The lowest in that list is 70 quid.

Is that supposed to be a selling point when I can pick up a dumbphone for
9.99 from asda?

Once almost everyone can afford a smartphone, or they start being given
away "for free" with a phone contract, the cost of manufacturing
There are not being given away and they're not free as you well know or you
wouldn't have put it in quotes. Contracts cost a fortune and they get the
full retail price of the phone back and then some over the period.

So? This is no different from dumbphones.

Except PAYG is perfectly feasible if you only make calls and text. Not so
for data.

Already a quarter of adults have a smartphone and half of all teenagers.
Got a link for that?

http://media.ofcom.org.uk/2011/08/04...o-smartphones/

A reliable link. Ofcom are full of it.

Whether you care is not important.

Or course its important because is what I base my decisions on you halfwitted
moron!

The point is that this demonstrates that, contrary to your foolish
assertions, people find a smartphone to be useful for travel
information.

Which "people"?

And don't you think it would be better to take a tiny pocket-sized
device on holiday instead of a "proper computer"?

I don't take a computer on holiday. I spend all week working with the damn
things and the last thing I want when I'm away is email and the web.

B2003

On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:37:58 +0100
David Cantrell wrote:
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 03:49:29PM +0000, d wrote:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:04:09 +0100 Mike Bristow wrote:
Indeed; I have one myself for the battery life and small size. And a
smartphone. Horses for courses, innit?
Apart from not needing one the other main reason I don't have a smartphone
is
size. I don't want to go back to a 1990s style brick in my pocket.

Ah, so as well as obviously not having actually seen the sort of
navigation software you criticise so heavily, you've also not actually
seen a smartphone.

No , of course I've never seen a smartphone in carphone warehouse or currys
or 101 places. I must've been looking at toasters by mistake and got confused.
Compare to a small dumbphone they're bricks, ok? And that isn't going to
change because below a certain screensize a smartphone would be unusable
which limits how small they can be.

Is there anything else you'd like to demonstrate your ignorance about
for our amusement? Perhaps you could expound upon the contents of my
fridge

Yesterdays boiled bull**** I should imagine.

B2003

wrote:

Is that supposed to be a selling point when I can pick up a dumbphone for
9.99 from asda?

The prices given in that article are SIM free. A ten quid dumbphone is
subsidised from the inflated call costs on PAYG.

Except PAYG is perfectly feasible if you only make calls and text. Not so
for data.

That'll be why I have the very iPad on which I am typing this on PAYG then?

Which "people"?

Me for one. Meanwhile my smartphone in my pocket is already set up to
update me when the status of my flight changes, so I can relax in the
airport and be notified when the gate comes up rather than hanging around
the monitor. And while I'm waiting for my bag I'll be able to compare
train and coach times, and even book a coach ticket if that's going to be
the best option, which will be sent to my phone. (Waiting with bated
breath for the railway to catch up!)

It's brilliant, IMO. Truly a killer app.

I don't take a computer on holiday. I spend all week working with the damn
things and the last thing I want when I'm away is email and the web.

I don't want work, but I do want the Web. The ability to research your
destination on the fly, and have a map of anywhere at the drop of a hat is
great, particularly now the EU has legislated data cost down a bit.

Wonderful stuff. I don't travel without it.

Neil
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Mike Bristow wrote:

4tph is starting to be turn-up-and-go; 6tph absolutly is.

Agree, though I used a timetable on the 12tph Hamburg U Bahn to ensure I
always stepped onto the platform just as the train was pulling in.

On Merseyrail (4tph) everyone I know uses a timetable.

Neil
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On 23 Aug 2012 12:22:37 GMT
Neil Williams wrote:
wrote:

Is that supposed to be a selling point when I can pick up a dumbphone for
9.99 from asda?

The prices given in that article are SIM free. A ten quid dumbphone is
subsidised from the inflated call costs on PAYG.

No one is forcing you to use PAYG if you buy a cheap phone.

Except PAYG is perfectly feasible if you only make calls and text. Not so
for data.

That'll be why I have the very iPad on which I am typing this on PAYG then?

And how much does it cost you a month? My PAYG costs are currently about a
fiver.

B2003

On 23 Aug 2012 12:22:43 GMT
Neil Williams wrote:
Agree, though I used a timetable on the 12tph Hamburg U Bahn to ensure I
always stepped onto the platform just as the train was pulling in.

On Merseyrail (4tph) everyone I know uses a timetable.

Merseyrail isn't a metro though. Its suburban rail that happens to have a few
underground stations, like londons finsbury park to moorgate line.

B2003