On 2015\05\24 20:11, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2015 13:29:43 -0500,
wrote:

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at
11:33:37 on Sun, 24 May 2015, remarked:
Stratford to Bishops Stortford serves six stations in Greater London,
and five beyond.

Via the Lea Valley route which we have already identified as the only
remaining AGA route in Greater London. Do keep up!

Although that was probably in the context of Liverpool St services.

AGA will still have London services other than from Liverpool St from 31st
May?

Yes the aforementioned Lea Valley service that runs from Stratford
daily.

.... which presumably includes the proposed STAR services, although it
seems odd that new services entirely in London should be run by anyone
but London Overground.

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Sun, 24 May 2015 13:29:43 -0500,
wrote:

In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:

In message , at
11:33:37 on Sun, 24 May 2015, remarked:
Stratford to Bishops Stortford serves six stations in Greater
London, and five beyond.

Via the Lea Valley route which we have already identified as the only
remaining AGA route in Greater London. Do keep up!

Although that was probably in the context of Liverpool St services.

AGA will still have London services other than from Liverpool St from
31st May?

Yes the aforementioned Lea Valley service that runs from Stratford
daily.

My question was whether there were any other services elsewhere we might
have overlooked earlier. The earlier discussion seemed puzzled that the Lea
Valley services should be the only London ones left with AGA.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 13:29:43
on Sun, 24 May 2015, remarked:
Stratford to Bishops Stortford serves six stations in Greater London,
and five beyond.

Via the Lea Valley route which we have already identified as the only
remaining AGA route in Greater London. Do keep up!

Although that was probably in the context of Liverpool St services.

AGA will still have London services other than from Liverpool St from 31st
May?

Yes. Stratford to Bishops Stortford.
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 15:54:55
on Sun, 24 May 2015, remarked:
AGA will still have London services other than from Liverpool St from
31st May?

Yes the aforementioned Lea Valley service that runs from Stratford
daily.

My question was whether there were any other services elsewhere we might
have overlooked earlier. The earlier discussion seemed puzzled that the Lea
Valley services should be the only London ones left with AGA.

a) They aren't
b) Who expected the Lea Valley services to Cambridge and Kings Lynn (let
alone Bishops Stortford or Stansted) to be taken over by TfL?
--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at
15:54:55 on Sun, 24 May 2015, remarked:
AGA will still have London services other than from Liverpool St from
31st May?

Yes the aforementioned Lea Valley service that runs from Stratford
daily.

My question was whether there were any other services elsewhere we might
have overlooked earlier. The earlier discussion seemed puzzled that the
Lea Valley services should be the only London ones left with AGA.

a) They aren't
b) Who expected the Lea Valley services to Cambridge and Kings Lynn
(let alone Bishops Stortford or Stansted) to be taken over by TfL?

Not them of course. It seems there is a clear division, with services
terminating at Cheshunt only going via Seven Sisters these days.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at
13:29:43 on Sun, 24 May 2015, remarked:
Stratford to Bishops Stortford serves six stations in Greater
London, and five beyond.

Via the Lea Valley route which we have already identified as the only
remaining AGA route in Greater London. Do keep up!

Although that was probably in the context of Liverpool St services.

AGA will still have London services other than from Liverpool St from
31st May?

Yes. Stratford to Bishops Stortford.

That is no more a London service than Liverpool St to Hertford East or
Bishop's Stortford and beyond with similar proportions of stations inside
and outside the zones. Although there are 6 stations within the zones
between Stratford and Bishop's Stortford, they aren't all in Greater London.
that only covers zones 1-6.
--
Colin Rosenstiel

We already have a "reserved track" transport service along that corridor. It's
called The District Line.

I am, of course, aware that most "regulars" in this forum have no regard for
cars or motorists, but I must point out that the changes to the Embankment
route since TfL was first set up have substantially increased congestion and
air pollution in London. I believe public transport enthusiasts affect a concern
for the environment?

In message , at 17:52:45
on Sun, 24 May 2015, remarked:
In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at
13:29:43 on Sun, 24 May 2015, remarked:
Stratford to Bishops Stortford serves six stations in Greater
London, and five beyond.

Via the Lea Valley route which we have already identified as the only
remaining AGA route in Greater London. Do keep up!

Although that was probably in the context of Liverpool St services.

AGA will still have London services other than from Liverpool St from
31st May?

Yes. Stratford to Bishops Stortford.

That is no more a London service than Liverpool St to Hertford East or
Bishop's Stortford and beyond with similar proportions of stations inside
and outside the zones. Although there are 6 stations within the zones
between Stratford and Bishop's Stortford,

To which it is providing a service. It's not compulsory to end your
journey at Harlow or Bishops Startford.

they aren't all in Greater London. that only covers zones 1-6.

I'm taking my definition of "London" as what's shown on TfL's map of
"London rail and tube services" (see the thread title).

--
Roland Perry

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Sun, 24 May 2015 21:30:49 +0100, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\05\24 20:11, Paul Corfield wrote:

Yes the aforementioned Lea Valley service that runs from Stratford
daily.

... which presumably includes the proposed STAR services, although it
seems odd that new services entirely in London should be run by anyone
but London Overground.

Honest answer is "don't know". Nothing I have read has ever set out a
view as to who the train operator would be. The logical thing to
assume is that AGA would run the service given they already run
everything on the line via T Hale. However I suspect logic will not
figure in the minds of local politicians who will undoubtedly be
shouting at whoever is Mayor that it should be a TfL Overground
service because AGA are useless / not be trusted / hopeless /
expensive / unreliable etc etc. I can already imagine the wording of
Mayor's Questions from Joanne McCartney on this subject. She clearly
wants AGA out of the picture as fast as possible and will also be
keeping the pressure on TfL over Overground progress after 31.5.15.
She even asked the Mayor about a "tree no one accepts responsibility
for" at Bruce Grove which is apparently growing through the station
buildings! I suspect she will be there on 31.5.15 to see if LOROL are
chopping it down.

Clearly STAR will be a separate local stopping service that will share
tracks from north of Lea Bridge and in to Stratford. I note in recent
papers I read that Network Rail want to construct more platforms at
Stratford as part of STAR so they have capacity to cope with expansion
as early as possible rather than having to keep coming back to do ever
more expensive alterations. For once that seems the sensible thing to
do.

Looking closer at the timetable, there is nothing in Table 21 that uses the
Lea Valley line meaning that all its services go beyond the Oyster zonal
limit at Broxbourne. So, unless Hertford East is added to TfL's empire,
something that I suspect will not be welcome there, things will stay as they
are after 31st May.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at
17:52:45 on Sun, 24 May 2015, remarked:
In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:

In message , at
13:29:43 on Sun, 24 May 2015, remarked:
Stratford to Bishops Stortford serves six stations in Greater
London, and five beyond.

Via the Lea Valley route which we have already identified as the
only remaining AGA route in Greater London. Do keep up!

Although that was probably in the context of Liverpool St services.

AGA will still have London services other than from Liverpool St from
31st May?

Yes. Stratford to Bishops Stortford.

That is no more a London service than Liverpool St to Hertford East or
Bishop's Stortford and beyond with similar proportions of stations inside
and outside the zones. Although there are 6 stations within the zones
between Stratford and Bishop's Stortford,

To which it is providing a service. It's not compulsory to end your
journey at Harlow or Bishops Startford.

they aren't all in Greater London. that only covers zones 1-6.

I'm taking my definition of "London" as what's shown on TfL's map of
"London rail and tube services" (see the thread title).

Zones beyond 6 are only there to allow Oyster to work outside Greater
London. Are you asking for Oyster zones all the way to Bishop's Stortford?

--
Colin Rosenstiel