In message , at 10:53:27
on Sat, 10 Oct 2015, remarked:
Can anybody suggest a via zone 1 journey, which would not involve
gates?

You can transfer between NR/OG and the Underground at a number of points
without going through gates, and Farringdon is a rare case where that
can happen inside zone 1. A lot of other lines pass through zone 1 so
any journey through the zone and out the other side is a possibility.

Farringdon (for Thameslink), Moorgate and Old Street (for Great
Northern) are the only three examples I can think of now in z1.

Although the Waterloo & City at Waterloo has no barriers can you get to any
other platforms there without passing through barriers now?

Yes, you can do the mid-platform exits at Waterloo to the transverse
corridor, from which the Waterloo & City doesn't have barriers, nor are
there any between W&C at Bank and the DLR. Or even at most DLR exits.
--
Roland Perry

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 10:46:40 +0100, Walter Briscoe
wrote:

I am puzzled as to why a pink validator touch is needed to select a
cheap fare between Worcester Park and Canary Wharf.
The obvious route via Waterloo NR and Waterloo LU would involve a touch
out and touch in and would incur a via zone 1 fare - if gates are
operational.
Can anybody suggest a via zone 1 journey, which would not involve gates?

Via Clapham Junction and change at West Brompton - no gates on the
interchange. Long way round for a short cut but possible nonetheless.
Change to Jubilee Line at Westminster.

They aren't inside Zone 1 though.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
10:53:27 on Sat, 10 Oct 2015, remarked:
Can anybody suggest a via zone 1 journey, which would not involve
gates?

You can transfer between NR/OG and the Underground at a number of
points without going through gates, and Farringdon is a rare case
where that can happen inside zone 1. A lot of other lines pass
through zone 1 so any journey through the zone and out the other side
is a possibility.

Farringdon (for Thameslink), Moorgate and Old Street (for Great
Northern) are the only three examples I can think of now in z1.

Although the Waterloo & City at Waterloo has no barriers can you get to
any other platforms there without passing through barriers now?

Yes, you can do the mid-platform exits at Waterloo to the transverse
corridor, from which the Waterloo & City doesn't have barriers, nor
are there any between W&C at Bank and the DLR. Or even at most DLR
exits.

I'm not sure that's so any more. When did you last go that way? I did on my
way back from Bournemouth recently.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 15:20:55 -0500,
wrote:

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 10:46:40 +0100, Walter Briscoe
wrote:

I am puzzled as to why a pink validator touch is needed to select a
cheap fare between Worcester Park and Canary Wharf.
The obvious route via Waterloo NR and Waterloo LU would involve a
touch out and touch in and would incur a via zone 1 fare - if gates
are operational.
Can anybody suggest a via zone 1 journey, which would not involve
gates?

Via Clapham Junction and change at West Brompton - no gates on the
interchange. Long way round for a short cut but possible nonetheless.
Change to Jubilee Line at Westminster.

They aren't inside Zone 1 though.

Oh come on Colin - the route is through Zone 1 and involves a change
there. Walter said "via zone 1" not "you must go through gatelines in
Zone 1 which you can confidently predict will not be working so you
can dodge your fare".

I think Walter's confidence is misjudged. I've never seen barriers not
working at Waterloo or Vauxhall for a start.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message of Sat, 10 Oct
2015 20:07:38 in uk.transport.london, Paul Corfield
writes
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 10:46:40 +0100, Walter Briscoe
wrote:

I am puzzled as to why a pink validator touch is needed to select a
cheap fare between Worcester Park and Canary Wharf.
The obvious route via Waterloo NR and Waterloo LU would involve a touch
out and touch in and would incur a via zone 1 fare - if gates are
operational.
Can anybody suggest a via zone 1 journey, which would not involve gates?

Via Clapham Junction and change at West Brompton - no gates on the
interchange. Long way round for a short cut but possible nonetheless.
Change to Jubilee Line at Westminster.


Thanks, again, Paul. That is just what I was looking for.
--
Walter Briscoe

On 09/10/2015 18:42, Paul Corfield wrote:
Please check your journey in the TfL Single Fare Finder. That
specifies the default route - first one on the list and usually via
Zone 1 - and then will list alternatives.

You must ONLY touch your Oyster Card / Contactless Card at the points
specified by TfL to benefit from a lower fare.

https://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payment...ngerType=Adult

Thanks for telling us about the mobile version of the single fare
finder. SO I've just tried it on a sample journey and I'm not impressed.

My sample journey was one I actually do from time to time: King's Cross
St Pancras to Richmond (Surrey). It tells me the three options a

Oyster
peak £3.90 off-peak £2-80
(But no route is specified, does that mean using London Underground all
the way? I've no idea. And does "Oyster" imply London Underground
only, that implication is not spelled out, and does not seem very
logical now that Oyster cards are valid on a much greater variety of
trains).

Changing at Waterloo or Victoria and Clapham Junction:
Peak £5.40, off-peak £4.20

Changing at Vauxhall
Peak £5.00 off-peak £4.20

So if my assumptions are right it costs more to mix NR and TfL trains,
but why are the two off-peak fares the same but peak fares different?
Baffling.

Then the route I might well take is Thameslink to West Hampstead and
then West Hampstead Overground to Richmond. That route isn't likely to
take any longer than using the District Line to Richmond but it isn't
listed at all, so I have no idea what fare would be charged. Not only
that I don't know how to find out.


--
Clive Page

In article ,
(Walter Briscoe) wrote:

In message of Sat, 10 Oct
2015 20:07:38 in uk.transport.london, Paul Corfield
writes
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 10:46:40 +0100, Walter Briscoe
wrote:

I am puzzled as to why a pink validator touch is needed to select a
cheap fare between Worcester Park and Canary Wharf.
The obvious route via Waterloo NR and Waterloo LU would involve a touch
out and touch in and would incur a via zone 1 fare - if gates are
operational.
Can anybody suggest a via zone 1 journey, which would not involve gates?

Via Clapham Junction and change at West Brompton - no gates on the
interchange. Long way round for a short cut but possible nonetheless.
Change to Jubilee Line at Westminster.


Thanks, again, Paul. That is just what I was looking for.

Ah! Sneaky!

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article , (Clive Page)
wrote:

On 09/10/2015 18:42, Paul Corfield wrote:
Please check your journey in the TfL Single Fare Finder. That
specifies the default route - first one on the list and usually via
Zone 1 - and then will list alternatives.

You must ONLY touch your Oyster Card / Contactless Card at the points
specified by TfL to benefit from a lower fare.


https://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payment...From=Worcester
+Park+Rail+Station&FromId=910GWRCSTRP&To=Canary+Wh arf+Underground+Station&ToI
d=940GZZLUCYF&PassengerType=Adult

Thanks for telling us about the mobile version of the single fare
finder. SO I've just tried it on a sample journey and I'm not impressed.

My sample journey was one I actually do from time to time: King's
Cross St Pancras to Richmond (Surrey). It tells me the three options
a

Oyster
peak £3.90 off-peak £2-80
(But no route is specified, does that mean using London Underground
all the way? I've no idea. And does "Oyster" imply London
Underground only, that implication is not spelled out, and does not
seem very logical now that Oyster cards are valid on a much greater
variety of trains).

Oyster is valid all over Greater London. I guess that allows use of the most
direct route which will be on the Underground and/or Overground.

Changing at Waterloo or Victoria and Clapham Junction:
Peak £5.40, off-peak £4.20

Changing at Vauxhall
Peak £5.00 off-peak £4.20

So if my assumptions are right it costs more to mix NR and TfL
trains, but why are the two off-peak fares the same but peak fares
different? Baffling.

That's the way the TOCs were persuaded to accept Oyster. It makes train
travel more expensive Sarf of the River.

Then the route I might well take is Thameslink to West Hampstead and
then West Hampstead Overground to Richmond. That route isn't likely
to take any longer than using the District Line to Richmond but it
isn't listed at all, so I have no idea what fare would be charged.
Not only that I don't know how to find out.

It wouldn't be because you're starting in Zone 1. So there can't be a fare
avoiding Zone 1. You could try combining Kings Cross to West Hampstead and
West Hampstead to Richmond but you will have difficulty persuading the
Oyster system not to continue your journey from King's Cross when you
re-enter at West Hampstead. Maybe use 2 different cards though if you have a
railcard registered on Oyster that won't work as you can only register 1
card AIUI.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Considering that the OP was requesting a single one-word answer - YES - I am amazed that this thread has spread to 40 posts by 15 different people.

On 11/10/2015 13:12, wrote:
In article , (Clive Page)
Then the route I might well take is Thameslink to West Hampstead and
then West Hampstead Overground to Richmond. That route isn't likely
to take any longer than using the District Line to Richmond but it
isn't listed at all, so I have no idea what fare would be charged.
Not only that I don't know how to find out.

It wouldn't be because you're starting in Zone 1. So there can't be a fare
avoiding Zone 1. You could try combining Kings Cross to West Hampstead and
West Hampstead to Richmond but you will have difficulty persuading the
Oyster system not to continue your journey from King's Cross when you
re-enter at West Hampstead. Maybe use 2 different cards though if you have a
railcard registered on Oyster that won't work as you can only register 1
card AIUI.


Sorry I don't follow you at all. I wasn't trying to get a fare avoiding
zone 1 obviously, as KX/St.P is in zone 1. But I would like a way of
finding what I would be charged if I use that route, which seems to me
to be quite s reasonable onr. I'm sure it can be done on an Oyster card
as a single trip, as the connection between West Hampstead Thameslink to
West Hampstead Overground is one generally accepted by routeing and fare
engines.

--
Clive Page