Clive Page wrote:

My sample journey was one I actually do from time to time: King's
Cross St Pancras to Richmond (Surrey). It tells me the three options
a

Oyster
peak £3.90 off-peak £2-80
(But no route is specified, does that mean using London Underground
all the way? I've no idea. And does "Oyster" imply London
Underground only, that implication is not spelled out, and does not
seem very logical now that Oyster cards are valid on a much greater
variety of trains).

That is the default fare, which will be charged for any route you
choose to take that is not specifically listed as an exception. So as
long as you do not pass through the gatelines at Waterloo, Victoria or
Vauxhall you will be charged that fare.

Changing at Waterloo or Victoria and Clapham Junction:
Peak £5.40, off-peak £4.20

Changing at Vauxhall
Peak £5.00 off-peak £4.20

So if my assumptions are right it costs more to mix NR and TfL
trains, but why are the two off-peak fares the same but peak fares
different? Baffling.

Then the route I might well take is Thameslink to West Hampstead and
then West Hampstead Overground to Richmond. That route isn't likely
to take any longer than using the District Line to Richmond but it
isn't listed at all, so I have no idea what fare would be charged.
Not only that I don't know how to find out.

That would be charged at 3.90/2.80 as well.

Peter Smyth

On 10/10/2015 17:27, Roland Perry wrote:
[...]
Farringdon (for Thameslink), Moorgate and Old Street (for Great
Northern) are the only three examples I can think of now in z1.

Although the Waterloo & City at Waterloo has no barriers can you get
to any other platforms there without passing through barriers now?

Yes, you can do the mid-platform exits at Waterloo to the transverse
corridor, from which the Waterloo & City doesn't have barriers, nor are
there any between W&C at Bank and the DLR. Or even at most DLR exits.

The mid-platform entrances/exits for Waterloo mainline/NR were gated a
few years ago.

My comment was regarding NR to LU (or v.v.) interchanges in zone 1.
Though I'm sure the DLR into Bank is a source of a certain number of
free riders on the Tube, likewise the GN / Northern City into Old Street
and Moorgate.

In article , (Clive Page)
wrote:

On 11/10/2015 13:12, wrote:
In article ,
(Clive Page)
Then the route I might well take is Thameslink to West Hampstead and
then West Hampstead Overground to Richmond. That route isn't likely
to take any longer than using the District Line to Richmond but it
isn't listed at all, so I have no idea what fare would be charged.
Not only that I don't know how to find out.

It wouldn't be because you're starting in Zone 1. So there can't be a
fare avoiding Zone 1. You could try combining Kings Cross to West
Hampstead and West Hampstead to Richmond but you will have difficulty
persuading the Oyster system not to continue your journey from King's
Cross when you re-enter at West Hampstead. Maybe use 2 different cards
though if you have a railcard registered on Oyster that won't work as
you can only register 1 card AIUI.

Sorry I don't follow you at all. I wasn't trying to get a fare
avoiding zone 1 obviously, as KX/St.P is in zone 1. But I would like
a way of finding what I would be charged if I use that route, which
seems to me to be quite s reasonable onr. I'm sure it can be done on
an Oyster card as a single trip, as the connection between West
Hampstead Thameslink to West Hampstead Overground is one generally
accepted by routeing and fare engines.

I think that is a valid route for the one fare given. Richmond is in Zone 4.
That route doesn't go further out than Zone 4.

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Colin Rosenstiel

In article , (Mizter T) wrote:

On 10/10/2015 17:27, Roland Perry wrote:
[...]
Farringdon (for Thameslink), Moorgate and Old Street (for Great
Northern) are the only three examples I can think of now in z1.

Although the Waterloo & City at Waterloo has no barriers can you get
to any other platforms there without passing through barriers now?

Yes, you can do the mid-platform exits at Waterloo to the transverse
corridor, from which the Waterloo & City doesn't have barriers, nor are
there any between W&C at Bank and the DLR. Or even at most DLR exits.

The mid-platform entrances/exits for Waterloo mainline/NR were gated
a few years ago.

My comment was regarding NR to LU (or v.v.) interchanges in zone 1.
Though I'm sure the DLR into Bank is a source of a certain number of
free riders on the Tube, likewise the GN / Northern City into Old
Street and Moorgate.

The GN is largely gated now, isn't it? I know there are exceptions,
including the new platforms at Finsbury Park.

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Colin Rosenstiel

tim..... wrote:

The trouble is that most people haven't looked at the Single Fare Finder
before travelling. So the advice to touch every pink reader is a belts
and
braces approach which can't go wrong.

except that the average punter is not going to know where all of the pink
valuators are, and could easily not touch one because he didn't see it.

Which is actually a serious problem at Clapham Junction where there appear
to be pink readers by one set of steps for coming down from the bridge but
not the other. I'm not sure what the situation is for the steps up from the
tunnel.

Is this a vain attempt to have the reader try to only cover one platform or
is this just bad placing?

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