On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 12:35:13 -0700 (PDT)
Offramp wrote:
On Thursday, 14 July 2016 09:28:19 UTC+1, wrote:
AFAIK its all ATO now, so why are there still 3 min service gaps (at least
on the Bank branch) with trains chugging along at what can't be much more
than 20mph? Is there a capacity limit with camden town junction or are there
simply not enough trains for a victoria line 1 min gap service?

Believe me. The delays are almost always owing to passengers ****ing up in one
way or another.

That may be the case in certain circumstances, but unless northern line
passengers are bunch of cretins in comparison to those on the victoria and
jubilee I don't see that as a good reason for the poor frequency. Perhaps
when (if) the line is finally split when the battersea extension opens it
will improve, or at least one half will.

On the subject of the extension, anyone know if tunnel boring has started yet?

--
Spud

In message , at
12:35:13 on Thu, 14 Jul 2016, Offramp remarked:

AFAIK its all ATO now, so why are there still 3 min service gaps (at least
on the Bank branch) with trains chugging along at what can't be much more
than 20mph? Is there a capacity limit with camden town junction or are there
simply not enough trains for a victoria line 1 min gap service?

Believe me. The delays are almost always owing to passengers ****ing up in one way or another.

I'll believe that. I travelled on the Northern Line from Euston to
Embankment the other day. And at every single station one passenger or
other blocked the doors. Often repeatedly.

There were even people left on the platform, who when the doors were
opened for a second attempt at closing, leapt aboard only to have their
backpacks caught in the doors!

And all of this with the dispatcher yelling down the PA for passengers
not to obstruct the doors!!
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at
12:35:13 on Thu, 14 Jul 2016, Offramp remarked:

AFAIK its all ATO now, so why are there still 3 min service gaps (at least
on the Bank branch) with trains chugging along at what can't be much more
than 20mph? Is there a capacity limit with camden town junction or are there
simply not enough trains for a victoria line 1 min gap service?

Believe me. The delays are almost always owing to passengers ****ing up
in one way or another.

I'll believe that. I travelled on the Northern Line from Euston to
Embankment the other day. And at every single station one passenger or
other blocked the doors. Often repeatedly.

There were even people left on the platform, who when the doors were
opened for a second attempt at closing, leapt aboard only to have their
backpacks caught in the doors!

And all of this with the dispatcher yelling down the PA for passengers
not to obstruct the doors!!

I wonder if the northbound Northern line has more obstruction and scuffling
for the doors because of the multiple available destinations? If the
current crowded train goes to your branch, you may have to wait for a
couple to pass before your next one -- so you have a strong incentive to
squeeze on to it. With a simple line like the Victoria, there's very little
downside with waiting for the next train, so more people will be prepared
to stand back, and let a crowded train leave without them. And as the
trains are now so frequent, the delay will be minimal.

On 2016\07\15 09:18, d wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 12:35:13 -0700 (PDT)
Offramp wrote:
On Thursday, 14 July 2016 09:28:19 UTC+1, wrote:
AFAIK its all ATO now, so why are there still 3 min service gaps (at least
on the Bank branch) with trains chugging along at what can't be much more
than 20mph? Is there a capacity limit with camden town junction or are there
simply not enough trains for a victoria line 1 min gap service?

Believe me. The delays are almost always owing to passengers ****ing up in one
way or another.

That may be the case in certain circumstances, but unless northern line
passengers are bunch of cretins in comparison to those on the victoria and
jubilee I don't see that as a good reason for the poor frequency. Perhaps
when (if) the line is finally split when the battersea extension opens it
will improve, or at least one half will.

On the subject of the extension, anyone know if tunnel boring has started yet?

The main tunneling starts in 2017.
https://tfl.gov.uk/travel-informatio...line-extension

On 15/07/2016 10:10, Recliner wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at
12:35:13 on Thu, 14 Jul 2016, Offramp remarked:

AFAIK its all ATO now, so why are there still 3 min service gaps (at least
on the Bank branch) with trains chugging along at what can't be much more
than 20mph? Is there a capacity limit with camden town junction or are there
simply not enough trains for a victoria line 1 min gap service?

Believe me. The delays are almost always owing to passengers ****ing up
in one way or another.

I'll believe that. I travelled on the Northern Line from Euston to
Embankment the other day. And at every single station one passenger or
other blocked the doors. Often repeatedly.

There were even people left on the platform, who when the doors were
opened for a second attempt at closing, leapt aboard only to have their
backpacks caught in the doors!

And all of this with the dispatcher yelling down the PA for passengers
not to obstruct the doors!!

I wonder if the northbound Northern line has more obstruction and scuffling
for the doors because of the multiple available destinations? If the
current crowded train goes to your branch, you may have to wait for a
couple to pass before your next one -- so you have a strong incentive to
squeeze on to it. With a simple line like the Victoria, there's very little
downside with waiting for the next train, so more people will be prepared
to stand back, and let a crowded train leave without them. And as the
trains are now so frequent, the delay will be minimal.


Or as a corollary to this, people who don't want to get on that
particular train are quite happy to stand in the way of passengers
detraining as well as those trying to get on as it's nothing to do with
them...

(You see this behaviour at Bank frequently)

In message
-sept
ember.org, at 09:10:40 on Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Recliner
remarked:
I'll believe that. I travelled on the Northern Line from Euston to
Embankment the other day. And at every single station one passenger or
other blocked the doors. Often repeatedly.

There were even people left on the platform, who when the doors were
opened for a second attempt at closing, leapt aboard only to have their
backpacks caught in the doors!

And all of this with the dispatcher yelling down the PA for passengers
not to obstruct the doors!!

I wonder if the northbound Northern line has more obstruction and scuffling
for the doors because of the multiple available destinations? If the
current crowded train goes to your branch, you may have to wait for a
couple to pass before your next one -- so you have a strong incentive to
squeeze on to it. With a simple line like the Victoria, there's very little
downside with waiting for the next train, so more people will be prepared
to stand back, and let a crowded train leave without them. And as the
trains are now so frequent, the delay will be minimal.

Last time I looked, Euston to Embankment was southbound. The train was
terminating at Kennington.
--
Roland Perry

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 09:44:10 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
There were even people left on the platform, who when the doors were
opened for a second attempt at closing, leapt aboard only to have their
backpacks caught in the doors!

There are definately more backpacks and rusksacks being worn on the tube
in general these days. I don't know if they're just completely dense or they
think they're backpacking in the himalayas but you'd think common sense would
tell someone to take the damn thing off inside a crowded train.

Still, always quite amusing when one of these idiots gets spun about by people
shoving them and their rusksacks out the way to get off.

--
Spud

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:10:26 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message
-sept
ember.org, at 09:10:40 on Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Recliner
remarked:
I'll believe that. I travelled on the Northern Line from Euston to
Embankment the other day. And at every single station one passenger or
other blocked the doors. Often repeatedly.

There were even people left on the platform, who when the doors were
opened for a second attempt at closing, leapt aboard only to have their
backpacks caught in the doors!

And all of this with the dispatcher yelling down the PA for passengers
not to obstruct the doors!!

I wonder if the northbound Northern line has more obstruction and scuffling
for the doors because of the multiple available destinations? If the
current crowded train goes to your branch, you may have to wait for a
couple to pass before your next one -- so you have a strong incentive to
squeeze on to it. With a simple line like the Victoria, there's very little
downside with waiting for the next train, so more people will be prepared
to stand back, and let a crowded train leave without them. And as the
trains are now so frequent, the delay will be minimal.

Last time I looked, Euston to Embankment was southbound. The train was
terminating at Kennington.

Were there also Morden trains on the board?

In message , at 12:40:21 on
Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Recliner remarked:
I'll believe that. I travelled on the Northern Line from Euston to
Embankment the other day. And at every single station one passenger or
other blocked the doors. Often repeatedly.

There were even people left on the platform, who when the doors were
opened for a second attempt at closing, leapt aboard only to have their
backpacks caught in the doors!

And all of this with the dispatcher yelling down the PA for passengers
not to obstruct the doors!!

I wonder if the northbound Northern line has more obstruction and scuffling
for the doors because of the multiple available destinations? If the
current crowded train goes to your branch, you may have to wait for a
couple to pass before your next one -- so you have a strong incentive to
squeeze on to it. With a simple line like the Victoria, there's very little
downside with waiting for the next train, so more people will be prepared
to stand back, and let a crowded train leave without them. And as the
trains are now so frequent, the delay will be minimal.

Last time I looked, Euston to Embankment was southbound. The train was
terminating at Kennington.

Were there also Morden trains on the board?

Didn't look. In any event if people wanted Morden, why clamour to get on
a Kennington train?
--
Roland Perry

On 2016-07-15 11:12:40 +0000, d said:

There are definately more backpacks and rusksacks being worn on the tube
in general these days. I don't know if they're just completely dense or they
think they're backpacking in the himalayas but you'd think common sense would
tell someone to take the damn thing off inside a crowded train.

Still, always quite amusing when one of these idiots gets spun about by people
shoving them and their rusksacks out the way to get off.

Rather that than tripping over people who pull trolley cases containing
a modern lightweight laptop and their lunchbox.

Neil
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