On Friday, 15 July 2016 09:45:17 UTC+1, Roland Perry wrote:

Believe me. The delays are almost always owing to passengers ****ing up in one way or another.

I'll believe that. I travelled on the Northern Line from Euston to
Embankment the other day. And at every single station one passenger or
other blocked the doors. Often repeatedly.

There were even people left on the platform, who when the doors were
opened for a second attempt at closing, leapt aboard only to have their
backpacks caught in the doors!

And all of this with the dispatcher yelling down the PA for passengers
not to obstruct the doors!!

That's exactly what I have seen. Amateurs like SpudLikeYou delaying the service for the professional punters. SHAME!!

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 12:40:21
on Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Recliner remarked:
I'll believe that. I travelled on the Northern Line from Euston to
Embankment the other day. And at every single station one passenger
or other blocked the doors. Often repeatedly.

There were even people left on the platform, who when the doors were
opened for a second attempt at closing, leapt aboard only to have
their backpacks caught in the doors!

And all of this with the dispatcher yelling down the PA for
passengers not to obstruct the doors!!

I wonder if the northbound Northern line has more obstruction and
scuffling for the doors because of the multiple available destinations?
If the current crowded train goes to your branch, you may have to wait
for a couple to pass before your next one -- so you have a strong
incentive to squeeze on to it. With a simple line like the Victoria,
there's very little downside with waiting for the next train, so more
people will be prepared to stand back, and let a crowded train leave
without them. And as the trains are now so frequent, the delay will be
minimal.

Last time I looked, Euston to Embankment was southbound. The train was
terminating at Kennington.

Were there also Morden trains on the board?

Didn't look. In any event if people wanted Morden, why clamour to get
on a Kennington train?

Because journeys via the Charing Cross branch to Morden as often as not
involve changing at Kennington?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 15.07.16 10:10, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2016\07\15 09:18, d wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 12:35:13 -0700 (PDT)
Offramp wrote:
On Thursday, 14 July 2016 09:28:19 UTC+1, wrote:
AFAIK its all ATO now, so why are there still 3 min service gaps (at
least
on the Bank branch) with trains chugging along at what can't be much
more
than 20mph? Is there a capacity limit with camden town junction or
are there
simply not enough trains for a victoria line 1 min gap service?

Believe me. The delays are almost always owing to passengers ****ing
up in one
way or another.

That may be the case in certain circumstances, but unless northern line
passengers are bunch of cretins in comparison to those on the victoria
and
jubilee I don't see that as a good reason for the poor frequency. Perhaps
when (if) the line is finally split when the battersea extension opens it
will improve, or at least one half will.

On the subject of the extension, anyone know if tunnel boring has
started yet?

The main tunneling starts in 2017.
https://tfl.gov.uk/travel-informatio...line-extension


Any idea on when work to rebuild Bank is due to start? Or is it still at
a feasibility stage?

wrote:
On 15.07.16 10:10, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2016\07\15 09:18, d wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 12:35:13 -0700 (PDT)
Offramp wrote:
On Thursday, 14 July 2016 09:28:19 UTC+1, wrote:
AFAIK its all ATO now, so why are there still 3 min service gaps (at
least
on the Bank branch) with trains chugging along at what can't be much
more
than 20mph? Is there a capacity limit with camden town junction or
are there
simply not enough trains for a victoria line 1 min gap service?

Believe me. The delays are almost always owing to passengers ****ing
up in one
way or another.

That may be the case in certain circumstances, but unless northern line
passengers are bunch of cretins in comparison to those on the victoria
and
jubilee I don't see that as a good reason for the poor frequency. Perhaps
when (if) the line is finally split when the battersea extension opens it
will improve, or at least one half will.

On the subject of the extension, anyone know if tunnel boring has
started yet?

The main tunneling starts in 2017.
https://tfl.gov.uk/travel-informatio...line-extension


Any idea on when work to rebuild Bank is due to start? Or is it still at
a feasibility stage?

https://tfl.gov.uk/travel-informatio...k-and-monument

On Sunday, 17 July 2016 14:27:28 UTC+1, wrote:
On 15.07.16 10:10, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2016\07\15 09:18, d wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 12:35:13 -0700 (PDT)
Offramp wrote:
On Thursday, 14 July 2016 09:28:19 UTC+1, wrote:
AFAIK its all ATO now, so why are there still 3 min service gaps (at
least
on the Bank branch) with trains chugging along at what can't be much
more
than 20mph? Is there a capacity limit with camden town junction or
are there
simply not enough trains for a victoria line 1 min gap service?

Believe me. The delays are almost always owing to passengers ****ing
up in one
way or another.

That may be the case in certain circumstances, but unless northern line
passengers are bunch of cretins in comparison to those on the victoria
and
jubilee I don't see that as a good reason for the poor frequency. Perhaps
when (if) the line is finally split when the battersea extension opens it
will improve, or at least one half will.

On the subject of the extension, anyone know if tunnel boring has
started yet?

The main tunneling starts in 2017.
https://tfl.gov.uk/travel-informatio...line-extension


Any idea on when work to rebuild Bank is due to start? Or is it still at
a feasibility stage?

It would be so fantastic if Bank was complexity rebuilt. But I don't think I'll ever see it. Never in my lifetime.

On 2016-07-17 15:52:23 +0000, Offramp said:

It would be so fantastic if Bank was complexity rebuilt. But I don't
think I'll ever see it. Never in my lifetime.

The difficulty is the huge disruption closing it will cause.

Neil
--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the @ to reply.

On Monday, 18 July 2016 09:01:45 UTC+1, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2016-07-17 15:52:23 +0000, Offramp said:

It would be so fantastic if Bank was complexity rebuilt. But I don't
think I'll ever see it. Never in my lifetime.

The difficulty is the huge disruption closing it will cause.

Neil
--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the @ to reply.

{Apologies for my garbled, auto-corrected comment] It might be possible one August. A whole August with everyone involved. Mind you, I've been at Tottenham Court Road often and there seems to be hundreds of guys in orange strolling around - you never see the same one twice - but the project is still, I believe, over-running on time.