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Marland wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:


007 returned to service today; finishing early at 1800 AIUI in order to
allow the 484 to continue test running.

Initially there were reports the line was closing again for the weekend for
engineering work but
007 looking very smart took up duties this morning.


Unfortunately it failed late morning and is back in the depot.



Well, the unit was running yesterday though for much of the day the local
travel bulletins said there was a replacement bus service so there may have
been both options till the buses were stood down
later in the day.

Today it was the usual “ Island line service suspended, replacement buses
running” from the travel bulletin.
Power supply problems mentioned as the cause on bulletins heard later, Does
the 484 take more juice I wonder and strained the life expired electrical
equipment on an overnight test?

Incidentally the unit which emerged from overhaul and looks likely to be
the final torchbearer for the tube stock has acquired a staff bestowed
name sticker as a nod to the recently retired depot manager who oversaw
keeping these going with minimal resources for years.

Is carrying a name albeit a probably unofficial one a first for a tube
train?
The full gauge Met locos had them of course but I cannot recall anything
tube sized,
a possible candidate may have been the steam loco that worked on extending
the lines to Morden,
Cockfosters and the Central Eastwards that was known by the name Brazil
after the class name Kerr Stuart gave to the design but the few photos
around only seem to show a builders plate not a nameplate.
https://transportsofdelight.smugmug....ES/i-xfmN5HM/A


It was basically a standard gauge version of a narrow gauge design several
examples of which can still be seen at places like the Sittingbourne and
Kemsley

Looking at the picture I bet the crew suffered from back ache after a
shift.

GH





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Marland wrote:
Marland wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:


007 returned to service today; finishing early at 1800 AIUI in order to
allow the 484 to continue test running.

Initially there were reports the line was closing again for the weekend for
engineering work but
007 looking very smart took up duties this morning.


Unfortunately it failed late morning and is back in the depot.



Well, the unit was running yesterday though for much of the day the local
travel bulletins said there was a replacement bus service so there may have
been both options till the buses were stood down
later in the day.

Today it was the usual “ Island line service suspended, replacement buses
running” from the travel bulletin.
Power supply problems mentioned as the cause on bulletins heard later, Does
the 484 take more juice I wonder and strained the life expired electrical
equipment on an overnight test?

Incidentally the unit which emerged from overhaul and looks likely to be
the final torchbearer for the tube stock has acquired a staff bestowed
name sticker as a nod to the recently retired depot manager who oversaw
keeping these going with minimal resources for years.

Is carrying a name albeit a probably unofficial one a first for a tube
train?
The full gauge Met locos had them of course but I cannot recall anything
tube sized,


LU's 14 Schöma diesels, used on JLE construction and then works trains, 10
of which have been reengineered as battery locos, carry/carried names
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_diesel_locomotives

a possible candidate may have been the steam loco that worked on extending
the lines to Morden,
Cockfosters and the Central Eastwards that was known by the name Brazil
after the class name Kerr Stuart gave to the design but the few photos
around only seem to show a builders plate not a nameplate.
https://transportsofdelight.smugmug....ES/i-xfmN5HM/A


It was basically a standard gauge version of a narrow gauge design several
examples of which can still be seen at places like the Sittingbourne and
Kemsley

Looking at the picture I bet the crew suffered from back ache after a
shift.


Off-topic for this thread but a controversy apparently reared its head
recently regarding a proposal to put a normal size cab on this ex-Harrogate
Gas Works loco
https://www.mattditch.photography/blog/the-history-of-barber (read the
comments here!-
https://www.facebook.com/groups/narrowgauge/permalink/5023624207649567/ )


Anna Noyd-Dryver



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On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 21:08:10 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
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Marland wrote:
Marland wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:


007 returned to service today; finishing early at 1800 AIUI in order to
allow the 484 to continue test running.

Initially there were reports the line was closing again for the weekend for
engineering work but
007 looking very smart took up duties this morning.


Unfortunately it failed late morning and is back in the depot.



Well, the unit was running yesterday though for much of the day the local
travel bulletins said there was a replacement bus service so there may have
been both options till the buses were stood down
later in the day.

Today it was the usual Island line service suspended, replacement buses
running from the travel bulletin.
Power supply problems mentioned as the cause on bulletins heard later, Does
the 484 take more juice I wonder and strained the life expired electrical
equipment on an overnight test?

Incidentally the unit which emerged from overhaul and looks likely to be
the final torchbearer for the tube stock has acquired a staff bestowed
name sticker as a nod to the recently retired depot manager who oversaw
keeping these going with minimal resources for years.

Is carrying a name albeit a probably unofficial one a first for a tube
train?
The full gauge Met locos had them of course but I cannot recall anything
tube sized,


LU's 14 Schma diesels, used on JLE construction and then works trains, 10
of which have been reengineered as battery locos, carry/carried names
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_diesel_locomotives

a possible candidate may have been the steam loco that worked on extending
the lines to Morden,
Cockfosters and the Central Eastwards that was known by the name Brazil
after the class name Kerr Stuart gave to the design but the few photos
around only seem to show a builders plate not a nameplate.
https://transportsofdelight.smugmug....ES/i-xfmN5HM/A


It was basically a standard gauge version of a narrow gauge design several
examples of which can still be seen at places like the Sittingbourne and
Kemsley

Looking at the picture I bet the crew suffered from back ache after a
shift.


Off-topic for this thread but a controversy apparently reared its head
recently regarding a proposal to put a normal size cab on this ex-Harrogate
Gas Works loco
https://www.mattditch.photography/blog/the-history-of-barber (read the
comments here!-
https://www.facebook.com/groups/narrowgauge/permalink/5023624207649567/ )


Anna Noyd-Dryver


The Met had some small locomotives inherited from the Brill tramway,
including a Manning Wardle named "Huddersfield". There was also the
elusive "Nellie", another Manning Wardle, which shunted coal wagons
for Neasden power station, over a bridge that couldn't take anything
heavier.
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On 15/12/2020 18:59, Jeremy Double wrote:

The EU mandated separation of infrastructure from train operation,
following the pattern established in the UK by privatisation.


Sweden was first. And lots of different models were used; there was the
German model of DB having operations and infrastucture units within one
holding company, or the French model of separating things out then
subcontracting the separated stuff back again to comply with the letter
if not the spirit of the rules.

Of course, the UK never had any influence in the EU...


Did NI Railways ever get - at least nominally - vertically separated?
They had a derogation, but it was due to run out, and AFAIK "vertically
separating NU Railways" was on the priority to-do list for literally
no-one anywhere.


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On 15 Dec 2020 18:59:36 GMT
Jeremy Double wrote:
Of course, the UK never had any influence in the EU...


Irrelevant. Brexit was about immigration pure and simple. If that clown Blair
hadn't opened the flood gates to all the Igors and Olgas the minute the
grasping east european countries joined and immediately held out their palms
for silver I doubt Brexit would have happened.

It is amusing however how all the Remoaners were claiming the sky would fall
the minute they all started to leave yet now if you go into a Costa most of
the staff are the British kids who were never given a chance before. Also
all the east european security staff in my local supermarket have cleared off
and been replaced by Brits. Brexit - so far - is working.



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On 15 Dec 2020 18:59:36 GMT
Jeremy Double wrote:
Of course, the UK never had any influence in the EU...


Irrelevant. Brexit was about immigration pure and simple. If that clown Blair
hadn't opened the flood gates to all the Igors and Olgas the minute the
grasping east european countries joined and immediately held out their palms
for silver I doubt Brexit would have happened.

It is amusing however how all the Remoaners were claiming the sky would fall
the minute they all started to leave yet now if you go into a Costa most of
the staff are the British kids who were never given a chance before. Also
all the east european security staff in my local supermarket have cleared off
and been replaced by Brits. Brexit - so far - is working.



Be interesting to have a closer study at who those Kids are, the current
plague has so distorted jobs and the economy that the effect of Brexit and
what might have been or not cannot accurately be quantified but one thing
that appears to have been happening is the number of people not just young
who were employed or aspiring to a professional career whose expectations
have been curtailed.
Rather than sit on their arses many have adopted the any port in a storm
approach to getting some income and gone for service jobs in catering or
parcel delivery which they hope will be a temporary interlude. One I know
just sighs and says she expected to be doing such work on her gap year but
thought it would be in Sydney or Melbourne not Wiltshire.
Meanwhile those whose background means they were always less motivated
some of whom never had expectations of having to work for a living because
getting up a midday drinking a few cans of beer and taking a few drugs and
doing a little dealing are still doing that ,they haven’t flocked to fill
the positions left by Europeans returning home.
Once C19 is brought to a controllable state it will be interesting to see
if the more motivated people do resume into more professional careers and
less the motivated or aspirational start to fill them,
that may mean the likes of Costa etc may have to pay more to make working
worthwhile compared to social support, even as a generally EU supporter I
would agree the sudden influx of people who
could live on low wages knowing that if it all went pear shaped they could
return home to a less crowded country where the cost of living was less
distorted our job market for low earners.

GH





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Marland wrote:
wrote:
On 15 Dec 2020 18:59:36 GMT
Jeremy Double wrote:
Of course, the UK never had any influence in the EU...


Irrelevant. Brexit was about immigration pure and simple. If that clown Blair
hadn't opened the flood gates to all the Igors and Olgas the minute the
grasping east european countries joined and immediately held out their palms
for silver I doubt Brexit would have happened.

It is amusing however how all the Remoaners were claiming the sky would fall
the minute they all started to leave yet now if you go into a Costa most of
the staff are the British kids who were never given a chance before. Also
all the east european security staff in my local supermarket have cleared off
and been replaced by Brits. Brexit - so far - is working.



Be interesting to have a closer study at who those Kids are, the current
plague has so distorted jobs and the economy that the effect of Brexit and
what might have been or not cannot accurately be quantified but one thing
that appears to have been happening is the number of people not just young
who were employed or aspiring to a professional career whose expectations
have been curtailed.
Rather than sit on their arses many have adopted the any port in a storm
approach to getting some income and gone for service jobs in catering or
parcel delivery which they hope will be a temporary interlude. One I know
just sighs and says she expected to be doing such work on her gap year but
thought it would be in Sydney or Melbourne not Wiltshire.
Meanwhile those whose background means they were always less motivated
some of whom never had expectations of having to work for a living because
getting up a midday drinking a few cans of beer and taking a few drugs and
doing a little dealing are still doing that ,they haven’t flocked to fill
the positions left by Europeans returning home.
Once C19 is brought to a controllable state it will be interesting to see
if the more motivated people do resume into more professional careers and
less the motivated or aspirational start to fill them,
that may mean the likes of Costa etc may have to pay more to make working
worthwhile compared to social support, even as a generally EU supporter I
would agree the sudden influx of people who
could live on low wages knowing that if it all went pear shaped they could
return home to a less crowded country where the cost of living was less
distorted our job market for low earners.


There's been a big drop in hospitality jobs this year, so many of those
departing young East Europeans won't have been replaced:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/record-number-of-redundancies-as-restrictions-bite-vkql9sbvp?shareToken=250039b89d1d619f204b901bf7eaa f52

I wonder what will happen next year, when life returns to the hospitality
and travel industries? Who will they recruit for the minimum wage jobs?
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On 16 Dec 2020 11:01:26 GMT
Marland wrote:
wrote:
On 15 Dec 2020 18:59:36 GMT
Jeremy Double wrote:
Of course, the UK never had any influence in the EU...


Irrelevant. Brexit was about immigration pure and simple. If that clown Blair


hadn't opened the flood gates to all the Igors and Olgas the minute the
grasping east european countries joined and immediately held out their palms
for silver I doubt Brexit would have happened.

It is amusing however how all the Remoaners were claiming the sky would fall
the minute they all started to leave yet now if you go into a Costa most of
the staff are the British kids who were never given a chance before. Also
all the east european security staff in my local supermarket have cleared off


and been replaced by Brits. Brexit - so far - is working.



Be interesting to have a closer study at who those Kids are, the current
plague has so distorted jobs and the economy that the effect of Brexit and
what might have been or not cannot accurately be quantified but one thing
that appears to have been happening is the number of people not just young
who were employed or aspiring to a professional career whose expectations
have been curtailed.


Quite possibly, but I've heard numerous anecdotal reports on the radio and
elsewhere of British kids in the past who applied to these sorts of jobs
and were turned down in preference of EU workers. I can only presume because
if you're an immigrant you're less likely to complain about conditions and
are happy to work for lower wages plus you'll probably leave soon anyway
before there's any chance of you becoming confident enough to lodge any
complaints.

Meanwhile those whose background means they were always less motivated
some of whom never had expectations of having to work for a living because
getting up a midday drinking a few cans of beer and taking a few drugs and
doing a little dealing are still doing that ,they haven’t flocked to fill
the positions left by Europeans returning home.


Every country has those sorts , the UK isn't unique in that respect. But
there are 70 million people in this country (hopefully a few million less
by this time next year) most of whom need to work.

would agree the sudden influx of people who
could live on low wages knowing that if it all went pear shaped they could
return home to a less crowded country where the cost of living was less


And sent a large proportion of the money they earned home so the UK economy
lost that benefit.

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On 16/12/2020 11:22, Recliner wrote:
There's been a big drop in hospitality jobs this year, so many of those
departing young East Europeans won't have been replaced:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/record-number-of-redundancies-as-restrictions-bite-vkql9sbvp?shareToken=250039b89d1d619f204b901bf7eaa f52

I wonder what will happen next year, when life returns to the hospitality
and travel industries? Who will they recruit for the minimum wage jobs?


We will still have the option of allowing in workers from selected EU or
non-EU countries if their presence would benefit the UK economy.
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On 16/12/2020 11:24, wrote:
On 16 Dec 2020 11:01:26 GMT
Marland wrote:
wrote:
On 15 Dec 2020 18:59:36 GMT
Jeremy Double wrote:
Of course, the UK never had any influence in the EU...

Irrelevant. Brexit was about immigration pure and simple. If that clown Blair


hadn't opened the flood gates to all the Igors and Olgas the minute the
grasping east european countries joined and immediately held out their palms
for silver I doubt Brexit would have happened.

It is amusing however how all the Remoaners were claiming the sky would fall
the minute they all started to leave yet now if you go into a Costa most of
the staff are the British kids who were never given a chance before. Also
all the east european security staff in my local supermarket have cleared off


and been replaced by Brits. Brexit - so far - is working.



Be interesting to have a closer study at who those Kids are, the current
plague has so distorted jobs and the economy that the effect of Brexit and
what might have been or not cannot accurately be quantified but one thing
that appears to have been happening is the number of people not just young
who were employed or aspiring to a professional career whose expectations
have been curtailed.


Quite possibly, but I've heard numerous anecdotal reports on the radio and
elsewhere of British kids in the past who applied to these sorts of jobs
and were turned down in preference of EU workers.


Cite?


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