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Bus driver complaint and OYBike
Tom Anderson wrote:
Also, i can echo an observation made in the story about the psycho bus driver chasing a cyclist down the road, too. A few months ago, i was hit by a motorbike: he overtook a taxi, and didn't check to see if there was anything in front of it; there was, and it was me. Luckily, it was all pretty low-speed, so i just fell off and whacked my arm, rather than getting properly hurt. Now, in the ensuing conversation, he rather forcefully expressed the opinion that it was *my* fault, since there was a cycle lane on the road which i wasn't using (it's a nice lane, but it's a contraflow one, and rather hard to get into from the wrong side). He is of course mistaken - there is no obligation on bikes to use a cycle lane, and no restriction on them using the main lanes if they'd rather. The psycho bus driver apparently had the same misapprehension; is this common? I'm trying to visualise the situation but I'm a bit confused: if the cycle lane is contraflow but you were using the road, weren't you travelling in the opposite direction to the cycle lane? -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Dave Arquati wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote: Also, i can echo an observation made in the story about the psycho bus driver chasing a cyclist down the road, too. A few months ago, i was hit by a motorbike: he overtook a taxi, and didn't check to see if there was anything in front of it; there was, and it was me. Luckily, it was all pretty low-speed, so i just fell off and whacked my arm, rather than getting properly hurt. Now, in the ensuing conversation, he rather forcefully expressed the opinion that it was *my* fault, since there was a cycle lane on the road which i wasn't using (it's a nice lane, but it's a contraflow one, and rather hard to get into from the wrong side). He is of course mistaken - there is no obligation on bikes to use a cycle lane, and no restriction on them using the main lanes if they'd rather. The psycho bus driver apparently had the same misapprehension; is this common? I'm trying to visualise the situation but I'm a bit confused: if the cycle lane is contraflow but you were using the road, weren't you travelling in the opposite direction to the cycle lane? The cycle lane is bidirectional; sorry, i didn't explain that clearly. This is the cycle lane along Tavistock Place, in case you know it; i was heading west. The road looks like this: --------------- --------------- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX =============== Where - denotes cycle lane, = denotes main lane, and X denotes a physical barrier (a sort of free-standing kerb). I'd come in from the east, where the road's bidirectional and there there's a normal cycle lane on each side; thus, i was at the left edge of the road. The normal cycle lanes end, and the bidirectional segregated lane begins, when the road becomes one-way (where it crosses Woburn Place?), but it's a little tricky to get into the segregated lane there, because it involves crossing the stream of traffic, plus worrying about the traffic coming in from the north and south. And i keep forgetting it's there. Anyway, i find it easier to stay in the main lane, since my turn, off on the right to Gordon St further on, has a filter lane. Hmm. I might have got some of that wrong, since the road's bidirectional where my turn is, which would mean the one-way stretch is only a couple of hundred metres long. There's definitely a westbound main lane on the south side the whole way, and an eastbound cycle lane on the north side the whole way! Anyway, if you want truly strange cycle lanes, try the back of the British Museum: given the task of fitting a cycle lane heading west in with a two-lane one-way street heading east (which, incidentally, is mostly used by coaches), the road chaps decided that the best place for it was IN BETWEEN the two lanes of traffic! Getting into that lane in the first place is an adventure in itself. tom -- I don't know what the hell you should do. Try clicking on some **** or somethin'. |
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Tom Anderson wrote:
On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Dave Arquati wrote: Tom Anderson wrote: Also, i can echo an observation made in the story about the psycho bus driver chasing a cyclist down the road, too. A few months ago, i was hit by a motorbike: he overtook a taxi, and didn't check to see if there was anything in front of it; there was, and it was me. Luckily, it was all pretty low-speed, so i just fell off and whacked my arm, rather than getting properly hurt. Now, in the ensuing conversation, he rather forcefully expressed the opinion that it was *my* fault, since there was a cycle lane on the road which i wasn't using (it's a nice lane, but it's a contraflow one, and rather hard to get into from the wrong side). He is of course mistaken - there is no obligation on bikes to use a cycle lane, and no restriction on them using the main lanes if they'd rather. The psycho bus driver apparently had the same misapprehension; is this common? I'm trying to visualise the situation but I'm a bit confused: if the cycle lane is contraflow but you were using the road, weren't you travelling in the opposite direction to the cycle lane? The cycle lane is bidirectional; sorry, i didn't explain that clearly. This is the cycle lane along Tavistock Place, in case you know it; i was heading west. The road looks like this: --------------- --------------- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX =============== Where - denotes cycle lane, = denotes main lane, and X denotes a physical barrier (a sort of free-standing kerb). I'd come in from the east, where the road's bidirectional and there there's a normal cycle lane on each side; thus, i was at the left edge of the road. The normal cycle lanes end, and the bidirectional segregated lane begins, when the road becomes one-way (where it crosses Woburn Place?), but it's a little tricky to get into the segregated lane there, because it involves crossing the stream of traffic, plus worrying about the traffic coming in from the north and south. And i keep forgetting it's there. Anyway, i find it easier to stay in the main lane, since my turn, off on the right to Gordon St further on, has a filter lane. Oh yes, I've seen that lane before; I've never travelled down Tavistock Place any other way than by foot though. Hmm. I might have got some of that wrong, since the road's bidirectional where my turn is, which would mean the one-way stretch is only a couple of hundred metres long. There's definitely a westbound main lane on the south side the whole way, and an eastbound cycle lane on the north side the whole way! Anyway, if you want truly strange cycle lanes, try the back of the British Museum: given the task of fitting a cycle lane heading west in with a two-lane one-way street heading east (which, incidentally, is mostly used by coaches), the road chaps decided that the best place for it was IN BETWEEN the two lanes of traffic! Getting into that lane in the first place is an adventure in itself. Isn't that how the Blackfriars Bridge accident happened? I don't fancy cycling between two lanes of traffic; I get worried enough cycling in London full stop, which is why I generally don't! I did, however, experience a variety of cycling environments on a trip from South Kensington to Canary Wharf and back. I went via the parks, then Westminster Bridge, cycle route near the South Bank, London Bridge, Aldgate (where I took a wrong turn and ended up going round the one-way system, which scared the living daylights out of me), then down to the Wapping ornamental canal, Shadwell, the riverside, Narrow St and then took another wrong turn to end up walking around West India Quay DLR with the bike and some difficulty. Came back via a more direct route along Cable St (partly contraflow cycle lane, partly on-pavement cycle lane), through the City to Fleet St (got lost again around Fenchurch St & later was following motor vehicle signs and almost ended up on the Victoria Embankment which I didn't want to), then straight along to Trafalgar Square. I wasn't brave enough to cycle across the Square; afterwards I went up The Mall, Constitution Hill and back along the South Carriage Drive. The experience was generally very good (although it was a Sunday!) and would have encouraged me to cycle more in London. Unfortunately right after finishing the ride, my bike got nicked, so that put me off again... -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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In message , Dave Arquati
writes then straight along to Trafalgar Square. I wasn't brave enough to cycle across the Square; afterwards I went up The Mall, Constitution Hill and back along the South Carriage Drive. I don't think the re-direction of traffic in Trafalgar Square is at all beneficial to cyclists. I travel through it twice a day and there are several points where motor vehicles and cyclists change lanes across each other. -- congokid Good restaurants in London? Number one on Google http://congokid.com |
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On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Dave Arquati wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote: On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Dave Arquati wrote: Anyway, if you want truly strange cycle lanes, try the back of the British Museum: given the task of fitting a cycle lane heading west in with a two-lane one-way street heading east (which, incidentally, is mostly used by coaches), the road chaps decided that the best place for it was IN BETWEEN the two lanes of traffic! Getting into that lane in the first place is an adventure in itself. Isn't that how the Blackfriars Bridge accident happened? It's nowhere near as bad as Blackfriars bridge, mostly because the traffic's a hell of a lot lighter. Plus, ISTR that it's physically segregated, which Blackfriars wasn't. Also, AIUI, the Blackfriars lane was conflow (or whatever the opposite of contraflow is - Sandinistaflow?), whereas this is contraflow, which is also safer. I don't fancy cycling between two lanes of traffic; I get worried enough cycling in London full stop, which is why I generally don't! I did, however, experience a variety of cycling environments on a trip from South Kensington to Canary Wharf and back. I went via the parks, then Westminster Bridge, cycle route near the South Bank, London Bridge, Aldgate (where I took a wrong turn and ended up going round the one-way system, which scared the living daylights out of me), Do you mean the big gyratory system thing, which you have to go through to get from the Whitechapel road to the City? I've been through that a few times - it's not the best cycling environment, granted. Still, i'd say it's better than the one at Old Street! then down to the Wapping ornamental canal, Shadwell, the riverside, Narrow St and then took another wrong turn to end up walking around West India Quay DLR with the bike and some difficulty. Came back via a more direct route along Cable St (partly contraflow cycle lane, partly on-pavement cycle lane), through the City to Fleet St (got lost again around Fenchurch St & later was following motor vehicle signs and almost ended up on the Victoria Embankment which I didn't want to), Welcome to the club! I usually have a really hard time getting from the City onto High Holborn, or in fact getting across the city in any direction; i'm glad it's so small! I once, coming out of Smithfield and aiming for work (UCL, Eustonish) ended up going down the Farringdon Road, and by the time i realised, didn't really have any choice except to carry on over Blackfriars Bridge (this was after the accident, i think), head along the south bank and go back over Waterloo bridge, then up through the west end to work. This was all because i'd agreed to go and pick something up from Charterhouse Square for a friend; the same friend, in fact, who i had to traverse Old Street and Aldgate to go and visit. She doesn't live in London any more, which, frankly, is something of a relief! then straight along to Trafalgar Square. I wasn't brave enough to cycle across the Square; afterwards I went up The Mall, Constitution Hill and back along the South Carriage Drive. The experience was generally very good (although it was a Sunday!) and would have encouraged me to cycle more in London. Unfortunately right after finishing the ride, my bike got nicked, so that put me off again... That must have been rather irritating. Still, an old saying about falling off horses springs to mind! tom -- Mathematics is the door and the key to the sciences. -- Roger Bacon |
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Tom Anderson writes:
big snip conflow (or whatever the opposite of contraflow is - Sandinistaflow?), Very good. |
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On 3 Sep 2004, Ambrose Nankivell wrote:
Tom Anderson writes: big snip conflow (or whatever the opposite of contraflow is - Sandinistaflow?), Very good. Thank you. I'm so sharp i could cut myself. tom -- If it ain't Alberta, it ain't beef. |
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Tom Anderson wrote:
On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Dave Arquati wrote: Tom Anderson wrote: On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Dave Arquati wrote: (snip) I don't fancy cycling between two lanes of traffic; I get worried enough cycling in London full stop, which is why I generally don't! I did, however, experience a variety of cycling environments on a trip from South Kensington to Canary Wharf and back. I went via the parks, then Westminster Bridge, cycle route near the South Bank, London Bridge, Aldgate (where I took a wrong turn and ended up going round the one-way system, which scared the living daylights out of me), Do you mean the big gyratory system thing, which you have to go through to get from the Whitechapel road to the City? I've been through that a few times - it's not the best cycling environment, granted. Still, i'd say it's better than the one at Old Street! I think that's the one. The route advised to cyclists is (from Leadenhall St) via Jewry St & Vine St to Crosswall, then eastbound via Goodmans Yard or westbound via Portsoken St, using toucan crossings at the subsequent Prescot St junction to reach an on-pavement cycle path which takes you into Royal Mint St (which was a pleasant route to Canary Wharf from a traffic point of view). Unfortunately I didn't approach from the right direction, and since I had never cycled there before, and ended up on the gyratory, which seemed to have about six lanes of fast traffic going left where I wanted to go right! In the end I managed to get to the pavement and walked my bike round the rest. I joined the "official" route at Goodmans Yard. then down to the Wapping ornamental canal, Shadwell, the riverside, Narrow St and then took another wrong turn to end up walking around West India Quay DLR with the bike and some difficulty. Came back via a more direct route along Cable St (partly contraflow cycle lane, partly on-pavement cycle lane), through the City to Fleet St (got lost again around Fenchurch St & later was following motor vehicle signs and almost ended up on the Victoria Embankment which I didn't want to), Welcome to the club! I usually have a really hard time getting from the City onto High Holborn, or in fact getting across the city in any direction; i'm glad it's so small! I once, coming out of Smithfield and aiming for work (UCL, Eustonish) ended up going down the Farringdon Road, and by the time i realised, didn't really have any choice except to carry on over Blackfriars Bridge (this was after the accident, i think), head along the south bank and go back over Waterloo bridge, then up through the west end to work. This was all because i'd agreed to go and pick something up from Charterhouse Square for a friend; the same friend, in fact, who i had to traverse Old Street and Aldgate to go and visit. She doesn't live in London any more, which, frankly, is something of a relief! then straight along to Trafalgar Square. I wasn't brave enough to cycle across the Square; afterwards I went up The Mall, Constitution Hill and back along the South Carriage Drive. The experience was generally very good (although it was a Sunday!) and would have encouraged me to cycle more in London. Unfortunately right after finishing the ride, my bike got nicked, so that put me off again... That must have been rather irritating. Still, an old saying about falling off horses springs to mind! I try hard enough not to fall off my bike, let alone worrying about falling off horses! -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
... Wapping ornamental canal !!! Why do I imagine that the ornament would be a shopping trolley? -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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John Rowland wrote:
"Dave Arquati" wrote in message ... Wapping ornamental canal !!! Why do I imagine that the ornament would be a shopping trolley? It wasn't too bad! There was a rather fun bit getting onto the canal in the first place off Vaughan St; a fairly long series of zig-zagging cycle ramps with very tight turns (to avoid a bumpy ride down the steps). The canal is a fairly fast route from there to the Shadwell Basin and thence to Narrow St in Limehouse. The more direct route via Cable St is faster but involves a horrible crossing of the Rotherhithe Tunnel approach road; the (heavy) traffic seemed to move relatively slowly but not slowly enough for someone to let you across. -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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