On 24 Jan 2005 07:28:13 GMT, Jon Crowcroft wrote:

I didnt realize Imperial didnt have a reading week. They do have _less_
lectures

Fewer.

Come on, you're an academic!
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, loobyloo wrote:

On 24 Jan 2005 07:28:13 GMT, Jon Crowcroft wrote:

I didnt realize Imperial didnt have a reading week. They do have _less_
lectures

Fewer.

Oh, i don't know - there are so many of the bloody things, 'lectures' must
count as a mass noun by now!

tom

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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

In article ,
(Meldrew of Meldreth) wrote:

Do they know how to punt properly in Oxford anyway?

Oh yes, we do. Although we're not nearly as good at going backwards as you
are in Cambridge.

tom

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In article , Paul Weaver
writes
Vague memory says I paid 80 pounds a term for a bedsit at Trinity, and I
was a few years after you. Grants were something like 1400 for the year
So, no fees

There were fees, but they were included in the grant payment system and
were therefore normally ignored. The 1400 was net of fees, and was the
maximum if your parents were poor. IIRC, the minimum was 300 - your
parents were expected to fill the gap, and you were in difficulty if
they didn't.

and twice the grant,

Twice what grant?

and you didn't have to pay it back

Correct - that's what the word "grant" means. The governments of the
previous decades had come to this strange conclusion that having
graduates was good for the country. Of course, we didn't have every
piddling little school for over-18s calling itself a "University".

Then soon as you got into government you decided the rest of us wouldn't
have that.

Excuse me? I am not and never have been a part of government.

And of course in 0 years time we'll have to pay for your pension too.

And that makes even less sense. *I'm* paying for my pension - a
significant proportion of my salary goes that way. And I don't get it
for a couple of decades.

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Clive D. W. Feather wrote to uk.transport.london on Mon, 24 Jan 2005:

Correct - that's what the word "grant" means. The governments of the
previous decades had come to this strange conclusion that having
graduates was good for the country. Of course, we didn't have every
piddling little school for over-18s calling itself a "University".

But we *did* have the concept of free, universal education, which has
now been lost. I suppose it will be nursery schools and classes next,
then sixth forms..... until finally all education has to be paid for out
of one's pocket, as well as through taxation.
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In article , Mrs Redboots
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But we *did* have the concept of free, universal education, which has
now been lost. I suppose it will be nursery schools and classes next,
then sixth forms..... until finally all education has to be paid for out
of one's pocket, as well as through taxation.

Oddly enough, there's much more money in state subsidised nursery care
than ten years ago. All 4 year olds are equally deserving.

At the risk of sounding a bit meldrew-ish I'm not sure 50% of teenagers
are equally deserving of a "university" education.

But it does wonders for the unemployment statistics. Which is the main
driver.
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In article ,
(Clive D. W. Feather) wrote:

In article , Paul Weaver
writes
Vague memory says I paid 80 pounds a term for a bedsit at Trinity,
and I was a few years after you. Grants were something like 1400 for
the year
So, no fees

There were fees, but they were included in the grant payment system and
were therefore normally ignored. The 1400 was net of fees, and was the
maximum if your parents were poor. IIRC, the minimum was 300 - your
parents were expected to fill the gap, and you were in difficulty if
they didn't.

If your parents were better off you got a "reduced fees grant" meaning
that you got no maintenance and paid something towards your fees. If your
parents were even better off you got a minimum grant (UKP50 in my day)
only and paid all your fees.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at
19:25:00 on Tue, 25 Jan 2005, Colin Rosenstiel
remarked:

If your parents were better off you got a "reduced fees grant" meaning
that you got no maintenance and paid something towards your fees. If your
parents were even better off you got a minimum grant (UKP50 in my day)
only and paid all your fees.

And my recollection is that that for every extra pound the parent
earned, more than a pound was deducted from the grant. A poverty trap by
definition.
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Roland Perry

In article ,
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at
19:25:00 on Tue, 25 Jan 2005, Colin Rosenstiel
remarked:

If your parents were better off you got a "reduced fees grant" meaning
that you got no maintenance and paid something towards your fees. If your
parents were even better off you got a minimum grant (UKP50 in my day)
only and paid all your fees.

And my recollection is that that for every extra pound the parent
earned, more than a pound was deducted from the grant. A poverty trap by
definition.

Or the student. My TOTAL gap year's income (after tax) was deducted
from my next year's grant AND FEES - though I now believe that I
should have got a solicitor to challenge the latter.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Meldrew of Meldreth wrote:
writes
But we *did* have the concept of free, universal education, which has
now been lost. I suppose it will be nursery schools and classes next,
then sixth forms..... until finally all education has to be paid for out
of one's pocket, as well as through taxation.

Oddly enough, there's much more money in state subsidised nursery care
than ten years ago. All 4 year olds are equally deserving.

At the risk of sounding a bit meldrew-ish I'm not sure 50% of teenagers
are equally deserving of a "university" education.

I'd probably dispute that if I knew what you meant by "deserving"!

But it does wonders for the unemployment statistics. Which is the main
driver.

Just think how many more wonders they could do by replacing the current
system with the Australian system, so that not only rich people can
afford to go to university...