You are terminally up tight if you took me seriously.

Sorry, but I SERIOUSLY object to queue-jumping. I put people who do so on a
similar moral plane to paedophiles.

More certainly so for being so desperately concerned over the order or
precedence in boarding a bus.


Again, sorry, but I happen to believe in fairness.- I ALWAYS have the correct
change available.

Congratulations. Do you manage to minimise the coinage using only one
fifty and one twenty pence piece?

Matthew

If I have a 50 and a 20 coin then, yes of course that is what I would use.

Marc.

On 30 Jul 2003 15:45:17 GMT, (Mait001) wrote:

Sorry, but I SERIOUSLY object to queue-jumping. I put people who do so on a
similar moral plane to paedophiles.

!!!

What twaddle.

Much more of that and you've lost by default.

Neil

Sorry, but I SERIOUSLY object to queue-jumping. I put people who do so on a
similar moral plane to paedophiles.

!!!

What twaddle.

Much more of that and you've lost by default.

Neil

Well, you are entitled to your opinion.

Good for you if you wish to applaud queue-jumping. As you sow shall you reap.

Maybe one day you will be in a queue when it really matters, e.g. at a check-in
at the airport waiting for a flight to a wedding or funeral, and someone barges
their way in front of you, thus taking the last available seat on the one
remaining flight that will get you there in time. Then maybe you will remember
what you have written, and agree that queueing is not such a bad idea, and
queue jumpers not such wonderful people.

Marc.

Mait001 wrote:
Sorry, but I SERIOUSLY object to queue-jumping. I put people who do so on a
similar moral plane to paedophiles.

!!!

What twaddle.

Much more of that and you've lost by default.

Neil


Well, you are entitled to your opinion.

Good for you if you wish to applaud queue-jumping. As you sow shall you reap.


There's a difference between applauding something and criticising an
unfair criticism of it.

Maybe one day you will be in a queue when it really matters, e.g. at a check-in
at the airport waiting for a flight to a wedding or funeral, and someone barges
their way in front of you, thus taking the last available seat on the one
remaining flight that will get you there in time.

(1) Standing is allowed on a bus and is not on aeroplanes.
(2) Generally speaking, all air passengers have bought tickets in advance.
(3) In any case, I don't know of any airlines that will let you board
the plane without having first bought a ticket.

So your analogy is incredibly bad.

But I shouldn't let that get in the way of a good rant, should I?

Maybe one day you will be in a queue when it really matters, e.g. at a
check-in
at the airport waiting for a flight to a wedding or funeral, and someone
barges
their way in front of you, thus taking the last available seat on the one
remaining flight that will get you there in time.

(1) Standing is allowed on a bus and is not on aeroplanes.
(2) Generally speaking, all air passengers have bought tickets in advance.
(3) In any case, I don't know of any airlines that will let you board
the plane without having first bought a ticket.

So your analogy is incredibly bad.

But I shouldn't let that get in the way of a good rant, should I?


My analogy is valid: most airlines overbook, so those at the front of the
check-in queue are more likely to be accepted than those at the end.

If you think reasoned debate is a "rant", than that says more about you than it
does about me.

Marc.

Mait001 wrote:

My analogy is valid: most airlines overbook, so those at the front of the
check-in queue are more likely to be accepted than those at the end.

But if you have a ticket for a particular flight, they have to either
let you on it *or* get you to your destination another way *or* severely
compensate you. Assuming you observe the listed check-in time, of course.

I've never been bumped from a flight, but I'm always at the airport well
before the time they tell me to have checked in by.

If you think reasoned debate is a "rant", than that says more about you than it
does about me.

Comparing a minor etiquette violation to a major crime may not be a
rant, but it certainly isn't reasoned debate.

But if you have a ticket for a particular flight, they have to either
let you on it *or* get you to your destination another way *or* severely
compensate you. Assuming you observe the listed check-in time, of course.

I've never been bumped from a flight, but I'm always at the airport well
before the time they tell me to have checked in by.


Not much use in being over-compensated if you miss a wedding or funeral, which
is why I gave those as an example.

I agree with early arrival: I too am usually there well before the minimum
check-in time. But, in certain Caribbean countries where I have checked in,
palm-greasing is necessary to get a guaranteed seat, WHATEVER time one checks
in!

If you think reasoned debate is a "rant", than that says more about you
than it
does about me.

Comparing a minor etiquette violation to a major crime may not be a
rant, but it certainly isn't reasoned debate.

Maybe I have overstated my case by comparing a queue-jumper to a paedophile
(but I do detest both), but queue jumping is rather more than a mere "minor
etiquette violation" and was, until recently, in London, a breach of by-laws.

Marc.

Mait001 wrote:

Comparing a minor etiquette violation to a major crime may not be a
rant, but it certainly isn't reasoned debate.


Maybe I have overstated my case by comparing a queue-jumper to a paedophile

"Maybe"??? They're not even within several orders of magnitude.

(but I do detest both), but queue jumping is rather more than a mere "minor
etiquette violation"

Your opinion.

and was, until recently,

Indeed.

On 30 Jul 2003 20:56:41 GMT, (Mait001) wrote:

My analogy is valid: most airlines overbook, so those at the front of the
check-in queue are more likely to be accepted than those at the end.

No, it isn't; the worst that can result from my idea is the loss of a
*seat*, and a significant journey time gain can be made.

I am not debating the idea that, if one is waiting at a bus stop and
the bus has a limited amount of space left, necessitating leaving
people behind, those who are left behind should be those who arrived
at the stop last.

I am merely suggesting that it is best to get everyone who wishes to
travel (assuming all can be accommodated) on the bus as quickly as
possible. Such things as who sits where can be dealt with afterwards,
once the bus is moving.

Neil

Mait001 wrote:

Comparing a minor etiquette violation to a major crime may not be a
rant, but it certainly isn't reasoned debate.


Maybe I have overstated my case by comparing a queue-jumper to a paedophile

"Maybe"??? They're not even within several orders of magnitude.

So, you don't even have the grace to accept a concession in debate.

With arrogance like that, you should accept the same in return.

(but I do detest both), but queue jumping is rather more than a mere "minor
etiquette violation"

Your opinion.

Of course, it is my opinion - what else could it be?

Does that make it totally invalid? or are we only allowed to post "opinions"
that agree with yours?

Marc.