I know this is a bit of an old chestnut, but having sifted through a
few previous discussions here on Google Groups I'm still a little
unclear on what the ticketing rules are. I'm hoping the oracles of this
ng might be able to offer clarification.


(1) A ticket from Herne Hill (south London) to London Terminals is
obviously valid to Blackfriars, am I correct in saying it's valid to
City Thameslink as well? I presume it's not valid any further north
than that.

(2) For travel from Herne Hill to Farringdon or Kings Cross Thameslink
presumably a ticket is issued with either of those specific
destinations named, is this the case?

(3) When travelling from the north of the Thameslink route (say
Cricklewood) into central London, are tickets issued to 'London
Terminals' or to specific named stations (e.g. Kings Cross Thameslink /
City Thameslink)?

And if a passenger is coming from Luton on a ticket with the
destination 'London Terminals' can they go any further south on the
Thameslink route than Kings Cross Thameslink?

(4) 'London Thameslink' was mentioned in previous posts as a
destination - does this mean anything, or was it just a virtual
destination used for some reason solely during the Thameslink blockade?


If anyone can throw some light on this it'd be much appreciated.

On 5 Jul 2006 08:23:45 -0700, "Mizter T" wrote:

I know this is a bit of an old chestnut, but having sifted through a
few previous discussions here on Google Groups I'm still a little
unclear on what the ticketing rules are. I'm hoping the oracles of this
ng might be able to offer clarification.

I'm probably way out of date but here goes.


(1) A ticket from Herne Hill (south London) to London Terminals is
obviously valid to Blackfriars, am I correct in saying it's valid to
City Thameslink as well? I presume it's not valid any further north
than that.

I believe this is correct.

(2) For travel from Herne Hill to Farringdon or Kings Cross Thameslink
presumably a ticket is issued with either of those specific
destinations named, is this the case?

No it would be issued to U1 and would thus be valid to any LU station in
Zone 1.

(3) When travelling from the north of the Thameslink route (say
Cricklewood) into central London, are tickets issued to 'London
Terminals' or to specific named stations (e.g. Kings Cross Thameslink /
City Thameslink)?

To the specific named station once north of Kings Cross Thameslink.

And if a passenger is coming from Luton on a ticket with the
destination 'London Terminals' can they go any further south on the
Thameslink route than Kings Cross Thameslink?

No they cannot except on peak trains to Moorgate - I think!

(4) 'London Thameslink' was mentioned in previous posts as a
destination - does this mean anything, or was it just a virtual
destination used for some reason solely during the Thameslink blockade?

No idea at all.

--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

Thanks v much for your answers Paul. I've highlighted a possible
confusion below...

Paul Corfield wrote:
On 5 Jul 2006 08:23:45 -0700, "Mizter T" wrote:

(snip)

(2) For travel from Herne Hill to Farringdon or Kings Cross Thameslink
presumably a ticket is issued with either of those specific
destinations named, is this the case?

No it would be issued to U1 and would thus be valid to any LU station in
Zone 1.

(3) When travelling from the north of the Thameslink route (say
Cricklewood) into central London, are tickets issued to 'London
Terminals' or to specific named stations (e.g. Kings Cross Thameslink /
City Thameslink)?

To the specific named station once north of Kings Cross Thameslink.

I think there's a bit of confusion here - for this third query I was
wondering what happens when travelling *from* north London / north of
London to central London - .e.g. for a Cricklewood to KX Thameslink
journey would the ticket issued be to the destination 'London
Terminals'.

Presumably if the journey was Cricklewood to Farringdon or City
Thameslink the ticket would be issued to U1 - I wonder if this would
also be the case if their destination was Blackfriars or Elephant &
Castle?

(3) When travelling from the north of the Thameslink route (say
Cricklewood) into central London, are tickets issued to 'London
Terminals' or to specific named stations (e.g. Kings Cross Thameslink /
City Thameslink)?

To the specific named station once north of Kings Cross Thameslink.

I think there's a bit of confusion here - for this third query I was
wondering what happens when travelling *from* north London / north of
London to central London - .e.g. for a Cricklewood to KX Thameslink
journey would the ticket issued be to the destination 'London
Terminals'.

Presumably if the journey was Cricklewood to Farringdon or City
Thameslink the ticket would be issued to U1 - I wonder if this would
also be the case if their destination was Blackfriars or Elephant &
Castle?


From stations north of London on the Thameslink route,
tickets are issued to 'London Terminals' for St. Pancras and Kings Cross
Thameslink
and to 'London Thameslink' for Farringdon, Barbican, Moorgate, City
Thameslink, Blackfriars and London Bridge.
'London Thameslink' tickets are for Thameslink (FCC) only and not valid on
the tube.

For destinations in zone 1, tickets are issued to U12 to allow interchange
at West Hampstead.

Note that from Bedford at least, an all day travelcard is cheaper than a
standard return to Zone 1, so will be issued if anyone asks for a return to
a Zone 1 destination.

--
Peter

In article ,
(Peter Goodland) wrote:

Note that from Bedford at least, an all day travelcard is cheaper
than a standard return to Zone 1, so will be issued if anyone asks
for a return to a Zone 1 destination.

Is that still true with the evening peak travel restrictions now?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Note that from Bedford at least, an all day travelcard is cheaper
than a standard return to Zone 1, so will be issued if anyone asks
for a return to a Zone 1 destination.

Is that still true with the evening peak travel restrictions now?


Sorry for the confusion, the naming isn't entirely clear,
an 'all day travelcard' is the peak version,
a 'one day travelcard' is the off-peak version.

Before the January 2006 fare changes, the all day travelcard was more
expensive than a standard (peak) return to U12,
but since then it has become cheaper, so there is now no requirement for a
return to any tube station, as the travelcard is cheaper.

The new evening peak restrictions do not apply to this ticket, as it is a
peak ticket anyway.

--
Peter

On 5 Jul 2006 08:23:45 -0700, Mizter T wrote:

I know this is a bit of an old chestnut, but having sifted through a
few previous discussions here on Google Groups I'm still a little
unclear on what the ticketing rules are. I'm hoping the oracles of this
ng might be able to offer clarification.

Some of your questions are answered on page A5 of the NFM:

http://www.atoc.org/retail/_downloads/NFM/sectiona.pdf

Basically, a ticket to London Terminals is not valid for journeys to
or via Farringdon.

The appropriate ticket for journeys to or via Farringdon depends on
where you're travelling to, where you're travelling from, and whether
it's a season or a single/return.

asdf wrote:

Some of your questions are answered on page A5 of the NFM:

http://www.atoc.org/retail/_downloads/NFM/sectiona.pdf

Basically, a ticket to London Terminals is not valid for journeys to
or via Farringdon.

The appropriate ticket for journeys to or via Farringdon depends on
where you're travelling to, where you're travelling from, and whether
it's a season or a single/return.


Thanks for that, as far as I can see page A5 answers nearly all my
questions (though it doesn't entirely answer question (2)).

For the record I'll provide the answer to my own queries (quoted text
is from my original post)...


(1) A ticket from Herne Hill (south London) to London Terminals is
obviously valid to Blackfriars, am I correct in saying it's valid to
City Thameslink as well? I presume it's not valid any further north
than that.

Any ticket from the south to London Terminals is valid as far as City
Thameslink and no further.


(2) For travel from Herne Hill to Farringdon or Kings Cross Thameslink
presumably a ticket is issued with either of those specific
destinations named, is this the case?

For a journey to Farringdon the NFM says "where possible use specific
fares from Section B2 or C" - i.e. it would be issued to 'Farringdon
Und'. The NFM doesn't specifically say what to do if such a fare is
unavailable but on reading other information on the page I presume a
ticket to U1 would be issued.

The NFM does not specify what ticket would be issued for journeys from
the south to Kings Cross Thameslink - I'd be interested to know if it
would be issued to KX Thameslink specifically or just to U1. Does
anyone know for sure?


(3) When travelling from the north of the Thameslink route (say
Cricklewood) into central London, are tickets issued to 'London
Terminals' or to specific named stations (e.g. Kings Cross Thameslink /
City Thameslink)?

"From stations between Bedford and West Hampstead Thameslink inclusive,
tickets (other than Season Tickets) are available to London Thameslink
(NLC 4452) and such tickets are valid to ALL the stations on the map."

(The stations on the map are KX Thameslink, Farringdon, Barbican,
Moorgate, City Thameslink, Blackfriars, London Bridge and Elephant &
Castle.)

"Season tickets from stations between Bedford and West Hampstead
Thameslink inclusive must be issued to the customer's chosen named
station, e.g. King's Cross
Thameslink, Farringdon Und, Moorgate Und, London Bridge."

And if a passenger is coming from Luton on a ticket with the
destination 'London Terminals' can they go any further south on the
Thameslink route than Kings Cross Thameslink?

No, KX Thameslink is as far as they could go. Passengers who want to go
to the central London Thameslink stations would be sold a ticket to
'London Thameslink' as detailed above.


(4) 'London Thameslink' was mentioned in previous posts as a
destination - does this mean anything, or was it just a virtual
destination used for some reason solely during the Thameslink blockade?

Yes it means something - see the answer to question (3) above.

Mizter T wrote:

The NFM does not specify what ticket would be issued for journeys from
the south to Kings Cross Thameslink - I'd be interested to know if it
would be issued to KX Thameslink specifically or just to U1. Does
anyone know for sure?

At Gatwick Airport recently I purchased a single to King's Cross
Thameslink. The ticket stated that KXTL was the destination, and it
bore the words "Route Thameslink".

PaulO

Southern seem to have not read these instructions on the ATOC page, as
I have numerous problems with this issue.

I travel from Brockley (South London, near New Cross) to Kings Cross
Thameslink. A return fare for KXT costs £1.60, the same as a return to
London Terminals (that's with railcard discount). Herein lies the
problem. If you go to the ticket machine, and request a KXT ticket,
you'll be confronted with two options - KXT, or KXT (not via
Underground). Both of these cost £1.60. I generally choose the first
one (as it implies you can go via Underground... is that true?).
However, when it prints this ticket, it prints out a London Terminals
ticket. If you do choose the not via Underground ticket, you do get a
KXT ticket.

Sometimes I go from New Cross, or St Johns, both on South Eastern,
rather than Southern. Their price for KXT is different (15p more than
London Terminals), and therefore it doesn't have the problem of
printing the London Terminals ticket.

I assume the problem is that Southern haven't programmed their
ticketing system properly, which is why I get a ticket for London
Terminals. Fortunately, the gates at KXT will more or less let anything
through, shown by my getting through once despite having put my return
ticket in rather than my out part!