D7666 wrote:
In which case we shall have to defer judgement on St.Pancras Whatever-
They-Call-It until it is finally open and complete - because it may be
intuitive once we have the final solution.
There is someone on Wikipedia (see 'Matthewriley') who claims to be an
insider and on http://tinyurl.com/39g6yf he states that the DfT made the
decision to name the whole complex St Pancras International during the
previous April (although there are no public announcements of any sort).

Paul Scott wrote:
"Peter Lawrence" wrote in message
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:11:50 GMT, Sky Rider
wrote:

On a side note the new Thameslink station will (like the station above)
be called St Pancras International.
Who has announced that?

No one AFAICT - but it is implied quite strongly in FCC's current timetable
booklet, which clearly refers to their trains stopping at 'St Pancras
International' from Dec 9th. It was discussed in uk.transport.london a month
or so back.
There is someone on Wikipedia by the name of 'Matthewriley' who claims
to be an insider and he states that it was announced internally by the
DfT in April (see http://tinyurl.com/39g6yf). Another than that I can't
find anything else.

On Mon, 11 Jun 2007, jonmorris wrote:

(many people still not even considering [Thameslink] as a good way to
get from north London to south London in a few minutes, instead of -
most likely - going around the Circle line or going through central
London on busy lines like the Piccadilly Line or Victoria Line).

The service frequency from King's Cross to Blackfriars makes it almost
as good as any other tube line, but I bet loads of people never consider
it (and not having it on the tube map probably doesn't help!).

That's it, though - between KX and Blackfriars, it's great, but outside
that, it gets rubbish fast, as most of the trains are fasts, and don't
stop at Kentish Town, Elephant, etc.

tom

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"jonmorris" wrote in message
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On 11 Jun, 20:15, "Paul Scott" wrote:
No one AFAICT - but it is implied quite strongly in FCC's current
timetable
booklet, which clearly refers to their trains stopping at 'St Pancras
International' from Dec 9th. It was discussed in uk.transport.london a
month
or so back.

It makes perfect sense to capitalise on the International part. FCC
Thameslink will ultimately run a service that takes in Gatwick
Airport, St Pancras Eurostar and Luton Airport - as well as very good
connections through central London

This is now a somewhat more emphatic FCC statement as well:

http://www.firstcapitalconnect.co.uk...?iCmsPageId=77

"From Sunday 9 December 2007, First Capital Connect services on the
Thameslink route will join Eurostar and Midland Mainline in serving St
Pancras International..."

Paul S

jonmorris wrote:

The service frequency from King's Cross to Blackfriars makes it almost
as good as any other tube line, but I bet loads of people never
consider it (and not having it on the tube map probably doesn't
help!).

Indeed. The other day I happened to be at a Lib Dem transport policy launch
(in my students' union capacity) and one person asked about the possibility
of reviving plans to extend the Northern Line to Sutton, giving as his
example getting to King's Cross. He was a little taken aback when it was
pointed out there is a direct train service!

On Jun 11, 9:29 pm, Roland Perry wrote:

Yes, but the entrance to platforms 9-11 are in a different building to
the main shed. I agree it's borderline, but from the buffers of each set
of platforms you are unaware where the others are (if you were a
complete stranger).

Muenchen Hbf and Manchester Picc both have sets of platforms that
could be considered a separate station. The former in particular is
laid out very much like KX - indeed I believe they were once a
separate station in Muenchen's case.

Neil

On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:11:30 GMT, Jack Taylor wrote:

But all the CJ platforms are next to one another, and you don't have
to do any special orientation to get from one to the other.
Similarly for the two "sets of" LB through platforms. What I'm
looking for is places where the sets of platforms are completely
disjoint. For example, KX main shed and KX suburban just about
qualify, but Paddington main and suburban probably don't.

At the northern end, KX platforms 8 (main) and 9 (suburban) are just
opposite faces of the same platform island.

Only for about fifteen or twenty feet.

But still enough to stop them being "completely disjoint" (although I
accept that from the POV of an unfamiliar passenger, they are).

On Jun 12, 12:01 pm, Tom Anderson wrote:

That's it, though - between KX and Blackfriars, it's great, but outside
that, it gets rubbish fast, as most of the trains are fasts, and don't
stop at Kentish Town, Elephant, etc.

Eh?

''most of the trains are fasts'' ????

Either read a timetable or don't exaggerate.

Core pattern is 50% are 'fast' and 50% are 'slow' - half the trains
through KX/Blackfriars all call at both stations you cite - Kentish
Town anf E&C.



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Nick

On Jun 12, 12:45 pm, Neil Williams wrote:

Muenchen Hbf


It was in fact München Hbf I was thinking of in relation to SPI (as I
shall now call St Pancras International) as the overall footprint is
similar - a deeper train shed in the centre with two wings one on each
side.

In fact there are more parallels as one could consider the S-bahn tief
Bf platforms as equivalent to the Thameslink route, and the U-bahn as
equivalent to LU lines - and both U-bahn and LU have diverse entrances
and underground passages.

München Hbf is a location I know well having had several weeks in each
year in late 80s / early 90s commuting through the place in several
different permutations depending on which hotel was based at. I would
estimate some of the inter-line walks are further than those that will
exist at SPI when it is complete.

Mind you, I suspect München Hbf will always be better signed.

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Nick

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, D7666 wrote:

On Jun 12, 12:01 pm, Tom Anderson wrote:

That's it, though - between KX and Blackfriars, it's great, but outside
that, it gets rubbish fast, as most of the trains are fasts, and don't
stop at Kentish Town, Elephant, etc.

Eh?

''most of the trains are fasts'' ????

Either read a timetable or don't exaggerate.

Never!

Core pattern is 50% are 'fast' and 50% are 'slow' - half the trains
through KX/Blackfriars all call at both stations you cite - Kentish Town
anf E&C.

My apologies. I was thinking of the post-TLnK plan, where there should be
24 tph through the core, but only 6 tph suburban trains. At present, it's
8 total, of which 4 are suburban.

Thus, my point that the frequency at the suburban stations is too low to
be useful as a tube line stands, and moreover, Jon Morris's point, which
you've helpfully snipped, that "the service frequency from King's Cross to
Blackfriars makes it almost as good as any other tube line" is also shown
to be an outrageous lie - 8 tph is barely a turn-up-and-go frequency, and
not what i call tube frequency. Perhaps if you've been unlucky enough to
grow up out in the western branches of the Magical District Line Tree, you
might think so, but as someone who lives at Finsbury Park, i don't.

tom

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