John Salmon wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote
So, for the sake of clarity, can we confirm that a 'Boundary Zone'
ticket can also be used with a *Day* Travelcard - as the 'Boundary
Zone' ticket is not in fact technically a separate ticket, merely a
receipt for an additional fare?

Yes, indeed I can confirm that. I do it regularly when I visit
London for 'leisure' (railway enthusiasm) purposes; I have often
bought more than one such BZ ticket on the same day. Sometimes I
extend 'normal' Day Travelcards; on other occasions I extend
'outboundary' Day Travelcards.

On Thursday this week, I used a Day Travelcard from Newark [1] and at
Victoria I extended it from BZ6 to Bognor Regis. Or at least that's
what I asked for at Victoria; I later discovered that I'd been issued
a Cheap Day Return from BZ*4* (rather than 6). Can anyone tell me
how much extra I paid because of this error?

You might have paid less. I recall that SVRs to Cambridge are cheaper
from BZ4 than from BZ6 or something like that at the moment.
--
Michael Hoffman

"Michael Hoffman" wrote
John Salmon wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote
So, for the sake of clarity, can we confirm that a 'Boundary
Zone'
ticket can also be used with a *Day* Travelcard - as the
'Boundary
Zone' ticket is not in fact technically a separate ticket, merely
a
receipt for an additional fare?

Yes, indeed I can confirm that. I do it regularly when I visit
London for 'leisure' (railway enthusiasm) purposes; I have often
bought more than one such BZ ticket on the same day. Sometimes I
extend 'normal' Day Travelcards; on other occasions I extend
'outboundary' Day Travelcards.

On Thursday this week, I used a Day Travelcard from Newark [1] and
at Victoria I extended it from BZ6 to Bognor Regis. Or at least
that's what I asked for at Victoria; I later discovered that I'd
been issued a Cheap Day Return from BZ*4* (rather than 6). Can
anyone tell me how much extra I paid because of this error?

You might have paid less. I recall that SVRs to Cambridge are
cheaper from BZ4 than from BZ6 or something like that at the
moment.

Interesting. How are these extension fares calculated?

JB wrote

stop at East Croydon). But the ticket office at the FCC station told
me I was better getting a Boundary 6 to Redhill.

I did ponder whether it was a valid combination for NCOC 19, but if
you are saying that it is not a combination, but should be considered
one ticket, that makes sense.

*location removed as I wouldn't want the FCC station to get into
trouble for suggesting cheaper tickets.

All National Rail ticket officers are supposed to suggest a cheaper
ticket if such exists and, eg, Which? will sic their mystery shoppers
on them and berate them if they fail.

Multiple tickets can be suggested too but are not required know-how.

--
Mike D

In article
,
(Mizter T) wrote:

The "R" apparently stands for "Rail" - this doesn't make an awful lot
of sense until you consider the alternative "U" marking which is for
"Underground" - for example, one could purchase a Brighton to "U1"
ticket, which is a Brighton to London Terminals ticket plus a single
Underground journey in zone 1 - alternatively one could purchase a
Peterborough to "U12" ticket, which is a ticket to London plus a
single Underground journey in zones 1 & 2, so one could alight at
Finsbury Park and get on the Victoria line to central London or indeed
go all the way through to Brixton (in zone 2 on the other side).

Can you still buy FCC U12 tickets? They seem to have been dropped as far
as Cambridge at least is concerned. When I enquired of 'one' they blamed
FCC, who set the fares to London.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article 01c8a247$c37595a0$LocalHost@default, (Michael
R N Dolbear) wrote:

JB wrote

stop at East Croydon). But the ticket office at the FCC station told
me I was better getting a Boundary 6 to Redhill.

I did ponder whether it was a valid combination for NCOC 19, but if
you are saying that it is not a combination, but should be considered
one ticket, that makes sense.

*location removed as I wouldn't want the FCC station to get into
trouble for suggesting cheaper tickets.

All National Rail ticket officers are supposed to suggest a cheaper
ticket if such exists and, eg, Which? will sic their mystery shoppers
on them and berate them if they fail.

Cambridge don't do that then. Try a Cambridge-Putney cheap day return
from their machines and they will only offer a CDR at £17.15 (with
Network Card discount). They should offer a day travelcard at £15.85 of
course. I've complained to NXEA but the reply completely missed my point
and the follow-up has so far gone unanswered. I've not noticed any
change.


--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
(John Salmon) wrote:

"Michael Hoffman" wrote
John Salmon wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote
So, for the sake of clarity, can we confirm that a 'Boundary Zone'
ticket can also be used with a *Day* Travelcard - as the 'Boundary
Zone' ticket is not in fact technically a separate ticket, merely
a receipt for an additional fare?

Yes, indeed I can confirm that. I do it regularly when I visit
London for 'leisure' (railway enthusiasm) purposes; I have often
bought more than one such BZ ticket on the same day. Sometimes I
extend 'normal' Day Travelcards; on other occasions I extend
'outboundary' Day Travelcards.

On Thursday this week, I used a Day Travelcard from Newark [1] and
at Victoria I extended it from BZ6 to Bognor Regis. Or at least
that's what I asked for at Victoria; I later discovered that I'd
been issued a Cheap Day Return from BZ*4* (rather than 6). Can
anyone tell me how much extra I paid because of this error?

You might have paid less. I recall that SVRs to Cambridge are
cheaper from BZ4 than from BZ6 or something like that at the moment.

Interesting. How are these extension fares calculated?

If FCC are involved, with a ouija board, as far as I can see.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article
,
Mizter T writes
So, for the sake of clarity, can we confirm that a 'Boundary Zone'
ticket can also be used with a *Day* Travelcard - as the 'Boundary
Zone' ticket is not in fact technically a separate ticket, merely a
receipt for an additional fare?

Yes. However, I believe that for some cases the additional payment is
different for day and period travelcards.

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Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

Can you still buy FCC U12 tickets? They seem to have been dropped as far
as Cambridge at least is concerned. When I enquired of 'one' they blamed
FCC, who set the fares to London.


Apparently you can. Cambridge - U12 is showing as £34.40 First Day
Single, £21.50 Standard Day Single, and £33.10 Standard Day Return.

HTH,

Barry

Michael R N Dolbear wrote:

All National Rail ticket officers are supposed to suggest a cheaper
ticket if such exists and, eg, Which? will sic their mystery shoppers
on them and berate them if they fail.

They are required to offer the cheapest *available* through ticket for
the journey being made. However, that doesn't mean that staff are
expected to know every possible set of tickets for a given journey.

It also depends on what Ticket Issuing System that station uses. Cubic
FasTIS, for example, will show Travelcards where appropriate, in
addition to point to point tickets, whereas other TIS will only show the
point to point ones.

Having said that, Colin's example of Cambridge to Putney doesn't require
rocket science to work out that a Travelcard is cheaper...

Cheers,

Barry

In article ,
(Barry Salter) wrote:

Michael R N Dolbear wrote:

All National Rail ticket officers are supposed to suggest a cheaper
ticket if such exists and, eg, Which? will sic their mystery shoppers
on them and berate them if they fail.

They are required to offer the cheapest *available* through ticket
for the journey being made. However, that doesn't mean that staff
are expected to know every possible set of tickets for a given
journey.

It also depends on what Ticket Issuing System that station uses.
Cubic FasTIS, for example, will show Travelcards where appropriate,
in addition to point to point tickets, whereas other TIS will only
show the point to point ones.

Having said that, Colin's example of Cambridge to Putney doesn't
require rocket science to work out that a Travelcard is cheaper...

Given the high proportion of tourist travellers at Cambridge and the
totally confusing promotions of NXEA offers only in the station, I would
expect most passengers intending such a journey would take what the
machine offers.

--
Colin Rosenstiel