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King's Cross entrance to Underground to close
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 09:54:37 +0000, Allan put finger to keyboard and
typed: John Salmon wrote: Surprisingly, I don't think this has been posted here yet... Posters displayed at King's Cross indicate that the entrance to the Underground from within the main line station concourse - the one more or less opposite platform 7 - which seems to have been there for ever, at least within my recollection, is to close permanently from next Sunday, 1st February. I may be missing something, but this is a great pity. It was so easy to get off an arriving train, and straight down the stairs into the underground. Fom 1 Feb, you have through the often crowded station concourse, out of the front of the station, merge in with everyone else coming into the station, and then down the stairs. In the short term, yes, it's going to be a nuisance. But it's part of a long-term plan which will, at least in theory, make things a lot better. All this so a lift can be installed. It's not just so a lift can be installed. In the long run, the whole of the existing concourse area (where the stairs currently emerge) will disappear. The new concourse will be to the side of the station, instead of in front of it, and the area where the stairs now emerge will be outside the building instead of inside it. There's are some artist's impressions of the station after the concourse redevelopment at: http://www.e-architect.co.uk/london/...ss_station.htm and the Network Rail information page about it is at: http://www.networkrail.co.uk/aspx/4059.aspx Mark -- A Miscellany Of Good Stuff: http://www.good-stuff.co.uk http://namestore.good-stuff.co.uk http://news.good-stuff.co.uk |
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King's Cross entrance to Underground to close
In message e.net, at
10:32:10 on Mon, 26 Jan 2009, Mark Goodge remarked: the area where the stairs now emerge will be outside the building instead of inside it. There's are some artist's impressions of the station after the concourse redevelopment at: http://www.e-architect.co.uk/london/...ss_station.htm I wonder if this new lift will be under the "green oval" in front of the station? -- Roland Perry |
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King's Cross entrance to Underground to close
On 26 Jan, 10:50, Roland Perry wrote: In message e.net, at 10:32:10 on Mon, 26 Jan 2009, Mark Goodge remarked: the area where the stairs now emerge will be outside the building instead of inside it. There's are some artist's impressions of the station after the concourse redevelopment at: http://www.e-architect.co.uk/london/...ss_station.htm I wonder if this new lift will be under the "green oval" in front of the station? For reference: http://www.e-architect.co.uk/london/...il271107_1.jpg It looks too close to Euston Road to be that. I'm guessing that the arrangement will mean that the lift machinery need not protrude above the surface. |
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King's Cross entrance to Underground to close
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, at 03:11:09 on Mon, 26 Jan 2009, Mizter T remarked: I wonder if this new lift will be under the "green oval" in front of the station? For reference: http://www.e-architect.co.uk/london/...il271107_1.jpg It looks too close to Euston Road to be that. I'm guessing that the arrangement will mean that the lift machinery need not protrude above the surface. So this lift is only from the booking hall level to the tube lines, not from the surface? -- Roland Perry |
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King's Cross entrance to Underground to close
On 26 Jan, 11:15, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 03:11:09 on Mon, 26 Jan 2009, Mizter T remarked: I wonder if this new lift will be under the "green oval" in front of the station? For reference: http://www.e-architect.co.uk/london/...ation_nrail271... It looks too close to Euston Road to be that. I'm guessing that the arrangement will mean that the lift machinery need not protrude above the surface. So this lift is only from the booking hall level to the tube lines, not from the surface? Yes. From the webpage I cited earlier: "This closure is to enable a lift to be installed to provide step-free access from the ticket hall to the Northern line platforms." http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj....aspx#entrance It does make sense to avoid having a direct link from the platforms to the surface that would bypass the ticket hall. However the 'green oval' arrangement you noted earlier might in fact play host to a separate lift that would link the surface to the ticket hall. |
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King's Cross entrance to Underground to close
In message
, at 03:26:25 on Mon, 26 Jan 2009, Mizter T remarked: "This closure is to enable a lift to be installed to provide step-free access from the ticket hall to the Northern line platforms." http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj....aspx#entrance It does make sense to avoid having a direct link from the platforms to the surface that would bypass the ticket hall. If you mean "it makes sense not to bypass the barrier line", then that narrows the possibilities regarding where this lift will be installed. In other words, it will have to be somewhere between the barriers and the escalators - which doesn't feel like it's anywhere near the current "landside" stairs that are being closed. However the 'green oval' arrangement you noted earlier might in fact play host to a separate lift that would link the surface to the ticket hall. There's nothing shown on the plans (which I've now found). Indeed it may well be above the escalator down to the Victoria Line, which limits the possibilities of putting anything overhead. -- Roland Perry |
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King's Cross entrance to Underground to close
On Jan 26, 11:26*am, Mizter T wrote:
On 26 Jan, 11:15, Roland Perry wrote: "This closure is to enable a lift to be installed to provide step-free access from the ticket hall to the Northern line platforms. Myers: "Abe, ya coming?" Abraham Simpson: "Any stairs?" Myers: "Just one." Abraham Simpson: "Nuts to you!" |
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King's Cross entrance to Underground to close
On 26 Jan, 10:50, Roland Perry wrote:
I wonder if this new lift will be under the "green oval" in front of the station? My guess is it'll be starting at basement level (ie the tube ticket hall), rather than street level. It's not shown on any diagrams I can find though. The Northern Ticket Hall opens in December this year, and I would hope will offer an indoor connection to KX. That may be why the Duke of York has been closed. U |
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King's Cross entrance to Underground to close
In message
, at 03:14:45 on Mon, 26 Jan 2009, Mr Thant remarked: The Northern Ticket Hall opens in December this year, As soon as that? Is it timed to co-incide with the opening of the Kent Domestics. Will all the new escalators/passageways to the tube lines be complete as well? and I would hope will offer an indoor connection to KX. The entrances to the northern hall will be quite close to the KX Suburban platforms, and therefore a long de-tour. The new tube entrance from KX Mainline will be from somewhere around the current Ladies toilets, and will lead to the existing ticket hall in a passage under the current ex-GNER ticket office. This will emerge into the existing ticket hall in the same place as the passageway from the soon-to-be-closed stairs. -- Roland Perry |
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King's Cross entrance to Underground to close
On 26 Jan, 11:33, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 03:14:45 on Mon, 26 Jan 2009, Mr Thant remarked: The Northern Ticket Hall opens in December this year, As soon as that? Is it timed to co-incide with the opening of the Kent Domestics. Will all the new escalators/passageways to the tube lines be complete as well? It's almost as if there's a masterplan at work! I think the timing is intended to coincide with the arrival of the Kent high-speed trains at St. P. and I would hope will offer an indoor connection to KX. The entrances to the northern hall will be quite close to the KX Suburban platforms, and therefore a long de-tour. The new tube entrance from KX Mainline will be from somewhere around the current Ladies toilets, and will lead to the existing ticket hall in a passage under the current ex-GNER ticket office. This will emerge into the existing ticket hall in the same place as the passageway from the soon-to-be-closed stairs. Aha, that makes sense. |
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