In message , Theo Markettos
writes

I know an OSI is an 'out of station interchange', but what's an OEP?

Oyster Extension Permit. Required only if you have a travelcard on
Oyster and want to travel beyond your zones on a National Rail service.
--
Paul Terry

On Jan 27, 6:41*pm, Mizter T wrote:

On Jan 27, 6:18*pm, Theo Markettos
wrote:

wrote:
In article ,
(tim....) wrote:

Bearing in mind that the original question is from a newbie to the
group, using such terms as OSI in a reply is stupid IMHO

I was answering Roland who is a regular here. The OP seemed to be up to
speed on the risks.

I know an OSI is an 'out of station interchange', but what's an OEP?

Oyster Extension Permit - an unwieldy device invented at the behest of
the TOCs - pax who have a *season* Travelcard loaded on their Oyster
card but want to go outside the zones covered by said Travelcard are
supposed to get one before they start their journey.

I omitted to mention - only if said journey is on National Rail.
There's no requirement to use them for 'out-of-zone' Tube journeys.


There's an explanation on this webpage - see under "How to use a
Travelcard and pay as you go together on National Rail":
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/oysteronline/5823.aspx

Given that many NR ticket offices and ticket machines can't 'issue'
OEPs on Oyster cards, the whole concept is a bit of a shambles. If I
wanted to make such a journey but couldn't get an OEP first, I
wouldn't have any qualms about going ahead making the journey anyway,
touching-in and out as per normal.

It appears to have been much discussed on utl recently, though I
wasn't around here at the time and haven't (yet) gone back and read
through the relevant thread.

Guys, what can I say!

Thank you all sincerely for your replies. Obviously far more information than I ever required but thank you anyway.

Since the first 5 replies related directly to my question and the next (so far) 77 are what I would describe as: seasoned London travelling veterens trying to get their own heads round Oyster my mind has been made up!!!

I shall go with the old One Day Travelcards that I am already very familiar with and hell, if I end up out of pocket by a couple of quid cos I haven't done enough journeys then so be it!!!

Once again thank you.

Kind regards,

Shaun.

Paul Corfield wrote

There is no "not via Zone 1" for the trip you took. Gipsy Hill -
Bruce
Grove or Hackney Central is £3.10. I think you got tripped up by the
maximum journey time rule which is 110 minutes for a 5 zone travelled
through trip (Zone 3 then 2 then 1 then 2 then 3 for your journey).
The
point at which you interchanged was very close to that parameter and
I
think the OSI was probably recorded but on final exit the system went
"well he's validated all the way through but the total journey is in
excess of the max journey time so let's charge £1.50 for Hackney
Downs
to Bruce Grove". That last bit is supposition on my part

It might not be "at final exit" but rather at the point (Hackney Downs)
that the OSI touch in was checked for exceeding 20 minutes since touch
out. The test could now have been enhanced to also make a check for
maximum journey time already exceeded or so close that even a short
journey would put it over The journey time was more than 100 minutes at
this point so on a NR route 110 minutes is very close. Adding this
enhancement would not involve any other changes, just the same behavior
(start a new journey) as if the time since last touch out had indeed
been exceeded.

--
Mike D

Mizter T wrote:
Oyster Extension Permit - an unwieldy device invented at the behest of
the TOCs - pax who have a *season* Travelcard loaded on their Oyster
card but want to go outside the zones covered by said Travelcard are
supposed to get one before they start their journey.

Thanks. I haven't been reading for a while, so I've now seen the recent
threads.

Theo

In message , at 18:45:46 on Wed,
27 Jan 2010, Paul Terry remarked:
I know an OSI is an 'out of station interchange', but what's an OEP?

Oyster Extension Permit. Required only if you have a travelcard on
Oyster and want to travel beyond your zones on a National Rail service.

So it's basically the same as a BZx to station ticket then?

--
Roland Perry

On Jan 27, 8:10*pm, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 18:45:46 on Wed,
27 Jan 2010, Paul Terry remarked:

I know an OSI is an 'out of station interchange', but what's an OEP?

Oyster Extension Permit. Required only if you have a travelcard on
Oyster and want to travel beyond your zones on a National Rail service.

So it's basically the same as a BZx to station ticket then?

Yes and no - it's only available for travel *within* the zones (but
outside the zones covered by the season Travelcard).

The way it's been implemented is half-hearted at best - it's basically
a bit of an unworkable bodge (at present at least).

On Jan 27, 10:49*pm, "solar penguin"
wrote:

MIG wrote:

The trouble is that the attractiveness to the punter isn't the main
consideration (if it's a consideration at all).

There was very strong determination to introduce Oyster and PAYG,
despite the popularity of travelcards (day and season), as evidenced
by the penalty cash fares for people not using it and the attempts to
claim that it was the new travelcard (and getting done by Advertising
Standards).

Good point. *If Oyster really were as brilliant as the TfL-apologists
like to claim, there'd be no need to bribe us to use it by increasing
the cost of real tickets.

Re MIGs initial point - that attractiveness to the punter isn't a
significant consideration - well, I disagree strongly, I think that's
utter balls - it's one of a few points in this (and another) thread
that I want to get back to when I get a moment.

However, I think I've previously been branded (was it by you?) as an
"Oyster apologist", whatever that means, so perhaps anything I say
will be disregarded. What I do know is lots of people who find Oyster
incredibly convenient and useful. But I'll happily advise someone to
get a Day Travelcard if I think that's the best solution - check my
previous postings for proof of that. And no, I don't work for TfL, a
TOC or anyone like that. I'm just interested in it all.

In message
,
Mizter T writes

On Jan 27, 8:10*pm, Roland Perry wrote:

So it's basically the same as a BZx to station ticket then?

Yes and no - it's only available for travel *within* the zones (but
outside the zones covered by the season Travelcard).

In some ways an OEP is more like a permit to travel, but unlike a permit
or an out-of-boundary ticket, an OEP doesn't cost anything in its own
right.

The way it's been implemented is half-hearted at best - it's basically
a bit of an unworkable bodge (at present at least).

It'll be interesting to see the first appeal against a penalty fare for
not having an OEP.
--
Paul Terry

On Jan 28, 8:37*am, Paul Terry wrote:

Mizter T wrote:

On Jan 27, 8:10*pm, Roland Perry wrote:
So it's basically the same as a BZx to station ticket then?

Yes and no - it's only available for travel *within* the zones (but
outside the zones covered by the season Travelcard).

In some ways an OEP is more like a permit to travel, but unlike a permit
or an out-of-boundary ticket, an OEP doesn't cost anything in its own
right.

Yes, that's a better description. (Though one needs at least £1.50
credit on one's card in order to set one.)


The way it's been implemented is half-hearted at best - it's basically
a bit of an unworkable bodge (at present at least).

It'll be interesting to see the first appeal against a penalty fare for
not having an OEP.

Indeed. I have my doubts as to whether PFs will actually get issued
for journeys from stations where OEPs aren't available.