When I used to use the NCR 4 evenings a week, it was shut between
Edmonton and Walthamstow approximately 3-5% of the time.

On 05/01/2013 11:20, tim..... wrote:

Try the section through Ealing and the junction with the A1, they are
the pits

Henlys Corner (the aforementioned junction with the A1) is pretty
reasonable since they completed the remodelling work...at least at the
times I usually pass through.

Hanger Lane needs...well...I'm not sure what could be done to make it
less worse really, given the presence of the A40 underpass as well.

A Gallows Corner type single-lane-in-each-direction flyover taking the A406
over the roundabout would make a big difference. It would be a tight squeeze
but it could just about be done.

My experience of Henly's Corner is that during the peak periods the new layout
has not made any improvement. Exactly the same with the Palmers Green/New
Southgate scheme.

I bypass the Ealing Common section as much as possible and I have over the years
worked out a few useful avoiding routes. The A1 junction/Henly's Corner in my
experience is only really bad during the peak periods.

Robin9 wrote:
Barry Salter;135293 Wrote:
On 05/01/2013 11:20, tim..... wrote:
-
Try the section through Ealing and the junction with the A1, they are
the pits
-
Henlys Corner (the aforementioned junction with the A1) is pretty
reasonable since they completed the remodelling work...at least at the
times I usually pass through.

Hanger Lane needs...well...I'm not sure what could be done to make it
less worse really, given the presence of the A40 underpass as well.
A Gallows Corner type single-lane-in-each-direction flyover taking the
A406
over the roundabout would make a big difference. It would be a tight
squeeze
but it could just about be done.

My experience of Henly's Corner is that during the peak periods the new
layout
has not made any improvement. Exactly the same with the Palmers
Green/New
Southgate scheme.

Would there be any point in having a southbound flyover, given that the
road narrows in that direction anyway?

I think so. The A406 carriageway towards Ealing Common remains two lanes
wide for quite a distance, just enough I calculate to "land" a single lane
flyover with room for a lane leading off from the roundabout. Bear in mind that
most of the traffic at present leaving the roundabout for Ealing has come off
the A406. The benefit of such a flyover is that not only would it substantially
reduce the total number of vehicles using the roundabout but, more crucially,
it would reduce the number of vehicles stationary on the roundabout, stopped
by infernal traffic lights and thereby impeding the flow of other traffic. But, as
I said before, it would be a tight squeeze.

On 2013\01\06 11:31, Robin9 wrote:
Barry Salter;135293 Wrote:
On 05/01/2013 11:20, tim..... wrote:
-
Try the section through Ealing and the junction with the A1, they are
the pits
-
Henlys Corner (the aforementioned junction with the A1) is pretty
reasonable since they completed the remodelling work...at least at the
times I usually pass through.

Hanger Lane needs...well...I'm not sure what could be done to make it
less worse really, given the presence of the A40 underpass as well.
A Gallows Corner type single-lane-in-each-direction flyover taking the
A406
over the roundabout would make a big difference. It would be a tight
squeeze
but it could just about be done.

My experience of Henly's Corner is that during the peak periods the new
layout
has not made any improvement. Exactly the same with the Palmers
Green/New
Southgate scheme.

Those schemes were not for cars but for pedestrians and cycles. If your
experience is as a car user, you were never intended to see any
improvement. I'd say they have made things worse, because I used to use
the right turn from Natal Road to Bowes Road as part of a route which
avoided the entire jam, and this is no longer allowed.

On Sat, 5 Jan 2013 00:29:33 +0000
Robin9 wrote:
As a frequent and enthusiastic motorist, I agree that travelling by car
is
usually cheaper, quicker and more comfortable. That's why I despise
those
anti-motor car bigots who insist that no-one needs a motor car in
London.

They're usually the sort of people who live in the inner city and never need
or want to travel more than a few miles from their ghettos.

I am however surprised that you find the North Circular so bad. Although
TfL's
two enhancement projects have both turned out to be complete failures
and
a disgraceful waste of money, I still find the A406 a fairly good road.
Living in
Leyton, I am of course adjacent to the best stretch of the road.

Well quite. But the sections near Bowes road , henleys corner and neasden are
disaster areas in the rush hour.

B2003

On Sat, 5 Jan 2013 12:31:15 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 11:20:20 on Sat, 5 Jan
2013, tim..... remarked:

I am however surprised that you find the North Circular so bad.
Although TfL's two enhancement projects have both turned out to be
complete failures and a disgraceful waste of money, I still find the
A406 a fairly good road. Living in Leyton, I am of course adjacent
to the best stretch of the road.

precisely.

Try the section through Ealing and the junction with the A1, they are
the pits

Hence the meme that the traffic news saying "avoid the North Circular"
is futile, because anyone who can possibly avoid it, already is.

The main problem is that there are relatively few roads that bridge the met
line in north west longon which forces all the traffic that needs to go
east-west or west-east to use the 406 or be squeezed onto the few local
roads that also go over it.

B2003

With one proviso, I could not have put it better myself. The proviso:
the Palmers Green/New Southgate scheme was for the benefit of buses . . .
oh and of course, this being a TfL scheme, for the benefit of two suppliers of
traffic lights.

By the way, I too used to make that right turn out of Natal Road. I now turn
right at the bottom of Warwick Road.