wrote:
On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 11:41:21 +0000
Recliner wrote:
On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 10:27:20 GMT, d wrote:
aversion to his plays, but that's got nothing to do with being able to
communicate adequately in the modern world.

Would *you* want a fast computer with no I/O functioning devices?
You're the analogue equivalent.

You remind me of plenty of snotty arts types who carry a superior air about
their person because they know lots of multi syllabic big words and can quote
famous authors or fire off snappy soundbites thought up by someone else, yet
as soon as any topic of a mathematical or scientific bent is broached - ie
something that requires them to actually THINK rather than just remember like
a witless parrot - they just sit there open mouthed unable to comprehend, like
the dribbling imbeciles they are.

Being literate, I might remind you of a "snotty arts type", but my degrees
were in engineering, and you won't ever find me quoting famous authors or
sound bites written by others (I preferred my own). Once I was promoted
into senior management, it was the ability to write and present ideas and
decisions in English, rather than the ability to use a slide rule,
calculator, FORTRAN compiler or Excel, that mattered. PowerPoint was more
important, and knowing what to present.

Perhaps you wouldn't always be so angry and frustrated if you had gained
the ability to communicate effectively using your mother tongue?

"Peter Smyth" wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 09:29:19 on Thu, 12
Dec 2013, remarked:
There were more interesting and useful things to spend time
learning in school than some **** poor plays by a dead 16th century
playwrite.

That's English Literature, a completely different subject.

In my day (late 90s), Shakespeare was compulsory in both English
Language and Literature. Helpfully that meant with a well chosen title,
you could submit the same essay as coursework for both subjects.

That was handy! I can't say I ever enjoyed Shakespeare, and once I got my
O level in English Literature in the 1960s, I never read or watched a
Shakespeare play again. I felt the same about poetry.

Robin9 wrote:
'Recliner[_2_ Wrote:
wrote:-
On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 14:18:41 -0600
Recliner wrote:-
d wrote:
-
there is no version of "it's" without an apostrophe.-

Oh dear, your English lessons really were truncated. As a matter of
interest, is English actually your first language?-

*shrug*

There were more interesting and useful things to spend time learning in
school
than some **** poor plays by a dead 16th century playwrite. I gave up
english
as soon as I could.

And if there are an errors in the above I don't give a flying **** not
that
you can tell the difference between spelling and grammar anyway.-

Perhaps your career didn't involve written communication with others?
Maybe
something like busking, assuming you sing better than you write? If
not,
your lack of written credibility would surely have impeded it. And your
frequent complaints about the competence of everybody around you are a
little ironic, given your own lack of competence in making those
complaints.

You're overstating your case. Spud's spelling and/or grammatical
mistakes do
not make his posts unintelligible. I have never had any difficulty
understanding
him, either now or in his previous Boltar incarnation.

Sometimes he is actually unintelligible, but he's almost always annoying.
His inability to write does get in the way of the message. And as he's
usually ranting about the serial incompetences of all those around him, he
needs to set a higher standard in the one area where we can judge his own
competence. We don't know if he can design trains so much better than
Bombardier, or operate them so much better than LU, but we do know that be
can't voice his complaints very well.

If Internet fora were confined to those who have mastered syntax,
spelling
and grammar, there would be little point to them.

Agreed. Most of us misspell from time to time, and typos are inevitable in
dashed-off responses. I'm as guilty as anyone else. But we do get, for
example, German contributors who actually write rather better English than
Boltar. And, obnoxious as Polson often was, he always wrote carefully, with
engineering knowledge and literacy, which made at least some of his claims
to senior management experience credible.

On 2013-12-12, Robin9 wrote:
'Recliner[_2_ Wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 14:18:41 -0600
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
there is no version of "it's" without an apostrophe.

Oh dear, your English lessons really were truncated. As a matter of
interest, is English actually your first language?

*shrug*

There were more interesting and useful things to spend time learning
in
school
than some **** poor plays by a dead 16th century playwrite. I gave up
english
as soon as I could.

And if there are an errors in the above I don't give a flying **** not
that
you can tell the difference between spelling and grammar anyway.

Perhaps your career didn't involve written communication with others?
Maybe
something like busking, assuming you sing better than you write? If not,
your lack of written credibility would surely have impeded it. And your
frequent complaints about the competence of everybody around you are a
little ironic, given your own lack of competence in making those
complaints.

Many of the people who post here have an engineering background, but are
still capable of writing grammatical prose. You don't need have to have
studied English literature in order to be able to use basic English
grammar.

You're overstating your case. Spud's spelling and/or grammatical mistakes
do not make his posts unintelligible. I have never had any difficulty
understanding him, either now or in his previous Boltar incarnation.

Not unintelligible, but the style jars a bit (as do many of the
opinions). This is not a problem. What is a problem is the apparent
pride in ignorance and/or stupidity, and the insistence on the
correctness of incorrect statements in the face of any challenge to
them.

On the other hand it is not implausible that much of the style and
content could be could be being adopted as a deliberate provocation.

If Internet fora were confined to those who have mastered syntax,
spelling and grammar, there would be little point to them.

Says the person using a Latin plural and the subjunctive.

Eric
--
ms fnd in a lbry

Eric wrote:
On 2013-12-12, Robin9 wrote:
'Recliner[_2_ Wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 14:18:41 -0600
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
there is no version of "it's" without an apostrophe.

Oh dear, your English lessons really were truncated. As a matter of
interest, is English actually your first language?

*shrug*

There were more interesting and useful things to spend time learning
in
school
than some **** poor plays by a dead 16th century playwrite. I gave up
english
as soon as I could.

And if there are an errors in the above I don't give a flying **** not
that
you can tell the difference between spelling and grammar anyway.

Perhaps your career didn't involve written communication with others?
Maybe
something like busking, assuming you sing better than you write? If not,
your lack of written credibility would surely have impeded it. And your
frequent complaints about the competence of everybody around you are a
little ironic, given your own lack of competence in making those
complaints.

Many of the people who post here have an engineering background, but are
still capable of writing grammatical prose. You don't need have to have
studied English literature in order to be able to use basic English
grammar.

You're overstating your case. Spud's spelling and/or grammatical mistakes
do not make his posts unintelligible. I have never had any difficulty
understanding him, either now or in his previous Boltar incarnation.

Not unintelligible, but the style jars a bit (as do many of the
opinions). This is not a problem. What is a problem is the apparent
pride in ignorance and/or stupidity, and the insistence on the
correctness of incorrect statements in the face of any challenge to
them.

On the other hand it is not implausible that much of the style and
content could be could be being adopted as a deliberate provocation.

Yes, I sometimes wonder if this is the case, but I think the ignorance is
real. It's how I soon realised that Spud was Boltar.

wrote:
On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 04:37:29 -0600
Recliner wrote:
wrote:

But I do know that I'd never have considered a CV or application form that
was written as badly as every one of your posts.

I'm surprised you need CVs for toilet cleaners.

Is that your aspiration? But I'm happy to accept that this is your area of
expertise.

In message

, at 15:24:49 on Thu, 12 Dec 2013, Recliner
remarked:
There were more interesting and useful things to spend time
learning in school than some **** poor plays by a dead 16th century
playwrite.

That's English Literature, a completely different subject.

In my day (late 90s), Shakespeare was compulsory in both English
Language and Literature. Helpfully that meant with a well chosen title,
you could submit the same essay as coursework for both subjects.

That was handy! I can't say I ever enjoyed Shakespeare, and once I got my
O level in English Literature in the 1960s, I never read or watched a
Shakespeare play again. I felt the same about poetry.

I didn't like Shakespeare taught exclusively from a book; these days
it's so easy to see it on film (feature or made-for-TV) that it must
transform the experience for the schoolkids. You could probably learn as
much from watching the film twice as a whole year of staring at pages.

(That's assuming the skill they are teaching isn't the ability to
visualise a play from the script alone).
--
Roland Perry

On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 15:20:32 -0600
Recliner wrote:
Being literate, I might remind you of a "snotty arts type", but my degrees
were in engineering, and you won't ever find me quoting famous authors or
sound bites written by others (I preferred my own). Once I was promoted

If you prefer your own it must be pretty quiet in your office since you don't
appear to have any.

into senior management, it was the ability to write and present ideas and

I've generally found in my career that the sort of people who climb the
greasy pole are the ones not very good at actually doing the job they were
initially employed to do but had mastered the art of bull****ting.

I'm one of those perhaps in your mind odd people who view computer science and
engineering as a profession akin to medicine or law, not some bottom of the
ladder job thyats merely a starting point to getting a space in the directors
carpark.

calculator, FORTRAN compiler or Excel, that mattered. PowerPoint was more
important, and knowing what to present.

LOL ) Powerpoint eh? Oh dear, you poor poor deluded man if you think that
program in any way aids communication other than for the simplest dumbed
down comncepts.

Perhaps you wouldn't always be so angry and frustrated if you had gained
the ability to communicate effectively using your mother tongue?

Perhaps you wouldn't talk to much drivel if you actually did a real job.
Still, no doubt you have fun leveraging win-win enterprise visions in a
downsized holistic stakeholder scenario while running ideas up the flagpole eh?
I'm sure you also love to imagine you can "think outside the box", but you
probably wouldn't even be able to open the flap.

--
Spud

On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 16:00:43 -0600
Recliner wrote:
Robin9 wrote:
You're overstating your case. Spud's spelling and/or grammatical
mistakes do
not make his posts unintelligible. I have never had any difficulty
understanding
him, either now or in his previous Boltar incarnation.

Sometimes he is actually unintelligible, but he's almost always annoying.

The fact that a few typos make a post unintelligable to you says a lot about
your lack of comprehension abilities and possible lack of intelligence.
Keep digging that hole.

--
Spud

wrote:
On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 15:20:32 -0600
Recliner wrote:
Being literate, I might remind you of a "snotty arts type", but my degrees
were in engineering, and you won't ever find me quoting famous authors or
sound bites written by others (I preferred my own). Once I was promoted

If you prefer your own it must be pretty quiet in your office since you don't
appear to have any.

into senior management, it was the ability to write and present ideas and

I've generally found in my career that the sort of people who climb the
greasy pole are the ones not very good at actually doing the job they were
initially employed to do but had mastered the art of bull****ting.

I'm one of those perhaps in your mind odd people who view computer science and
engineering as a profession akin to medicine or law, not some bottom of the
ladder job thyats merely a starting point to getting a space in the directors
carpark.

As I suspected, your lack of communications skills stopped you from being
promoted into management. No wonder you're always angry and frustrated.
Just think how much more successful you could have been in your career had
you not skipped those English lessons.


calculator, FORTRAN compiler or Excel, that mattered. PowerPoint was more
important, and knowing what to present.

LOL ) Powerpoint eh? Oh dear, you poor poor deluded man if you think that
program in any way aids communication other than for the simplest dumbed
down comncepts.

That's what's needed at executive level. Unfortunately, you'll probably
never find out. I doubt that someone with your exquisite manners would ever
be allowed into a board room, even as a guest.


Perhaps you wouldn't always be so angry and frustrated if you had gained
the ability to communicate effectively using your mother tongue?

Perhaps you wouldn't talk to much drivel if you actually did a real job.

Fortunately, I made more than enough money to be able to retire early when
I got bored with work. I wouldn't have been able to do that had I not been
able to communicate effectively.