On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:04:12 +0100, "tim......"
wrote:
It wasn't deliberate

Sounds like there is a problem with your card. Run it down to zero
and get a new one then!

Neil

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On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:20:07 +0000, Mizter T
wrote:
I don't think that, for example, basic bank account holders will
get CPC
cards because of this issue.

Probably not. But I am sure all banks will issue to any standard
debit card eligible customer, as people will generally want them.

Neil

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On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 09:10:11 -0600,
wrote:
It could be in a year's time as my wife found out.

Presently Oyster cards do not time out.

Only with exact change. Sorry, I meant to add that.

That is not how it is intended to be used, and if you want to hit the
system with the high administration costs of doing that, buy a paper
ticket and contribute to them by way of the higher fee.

Neil

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On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:24:50 +0000, Mizter T
wrote:
True - though for NR (and LO) ticket machines, one can choose an
amount
and receive change.

Again a simple software mod. I would not allow change (as this is
costly) but would allow exact money.

Neil

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On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:57:56 +0100
Neil Williams wrote:
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:04:12 +0100, "tim......"
wrote:
It wasn't deliberate

Sounds like there is a problem with your card. Run it down to zero
and get a new one then!

And if all the ticket offices are closed how is he supposed to get his 5 quid
deposit back for the broken one? Send if off in the post and wait a month?

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On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:50:07 +0000
Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:35:13 +0100, Neil Williams
wrote:

On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 13:01:17 +0000, David Walters
wrote:
I generally agree with you but there are lots of tickets that can
currently only be bought from a ticket office. As an example can I
get
a £2 travelcard for a child travelling with me while I use my Gold
Card
from any machines?

I don't know, but adding them is a simple software matter.

10 years ago people on here rubbished the idea of station ticket
machines issuing tickets to all destinations from that station.
Oops.

I have typed a long reply to you based on an earlier post but your
reply above will simply be your response to everything I've raised.
You're clearly happy to see all the offices shut and to put up with
impersonal ways of dealing with problems. Therefore there's no point
in me posting my reply.

He's probably one of those people who thinks because HE never needs a
particular service, no one else ever will either. Sadly this country is
full of people like that, a lot of them in positions of authority.

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On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:50:07 +0000, Paul Corfield
wrote:
You're clearly happy to see all the offices shut and to put up with
impersonal ways of dealing with problems.

Yes, TBH, I am. I want a public transport system to be efficient,
punctual, fast, reasonably comfortable and cheap. I don't want a
chat, and if I did I wouldn't consider it the taxpayer's role to
subsidise it. I think the German "no staff other than the drivers"
model works excellently and we would do well to adopt it, other than
that we probably need barriers and a few staff on those because of
higher levels of dishonesty.

So I fear we must agree to disagree.

Neil

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On 22/11/2013 19:32, Neil Williams wrote:
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:50:07 +0000, Paul Corfield
wrote:
You're clearly happy to see all the offices shut and to put up with
impersonal ways of dealing with problems.

Yes, TBH, I am. I want a public transport system to be efficient,
punctual, fast, reasonably comfortable and cheap. I don't want a chat,
and if I did I wouldn't consider it the taxpayer's role to subsidise
it. I think the German "no staff other than the drivers" model works
excellently and we would do well to adopt it, other than that we
probably need barriers and a few staff on those because of higher levels
of dishonesty.
So I fear we must agree to disagree.

No-one ever seems to complain that British tram stops are totally
unmanned (unlike Istanbul), and so are escalators (unlike Moscow).


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In article ,
(tim......) wrote:

wrote in message
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In article ,
(Neil Williams) wrote:

On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 14:17:20 -0600,
wrote:
Are they going to introduce Oyster history printing facilities at
ticket machines then? That can only be obtained from ticket offices
now.

Which is another trick missed with Oyster - such services should have
been machine only from day one.

I agree. You can see the details on screen but not get a permanent
record. The ticket office printers also fade pretty quickly so are far
from permanent.

Will the machine printed ones last any longer?

Since they don't currently exist it's hard to tell.

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In article ,
(Neil Williams) wrote:

On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 14:50:17 +0100, "tim......"
wrote:
(as well as the in station options) German
(/Italian/Belgium/Dutch/Spanish)
systems normally work on the basis of there being a prepaid "carnet" or
strip ticket (or smart card), which you buy from manned newsagents
(etc), so the comparison is entirely false, IMHO.

You mean like, say, Oyster?

or Ticket Stops?

Hamburg doesn't and never has had, btw. It has a fare structure very
similar to London.

Except for the scale of the system, surely?

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