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On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 11:47:55 -0600
wrote: In article , d () wrote: On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 10:40:34 -0600 wrote: Well it makes more sense than thousands of people spilling out at finsbury, shuffling onto the victoria line - which is already seriously overcrowded there in the rush hour - for one stop then getting off at highbury when there is an underused freight line - albeit single track - onto the NLL that could have been used for passenger trains. It was singled to get it electrified through the tunnel which would otherwise have been problematic. It's not really an answer here because it would mean a flat crossing of the North London line. So? Its not the M25. I've waited at H&I and not seen a train go past on the NLL for 10 minutes. ITYF that capacity is already constrained on the NLL, mainly unsatisfied freight paths. "Constrained" obviously has a different meaning in railway parlance then. Even a couple of trains an hour to finsbury would be better than nothing. -- Spud |
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 23:40:31 +0000
"Clive D. W. Feather" wrote: In message , wrote: Their top speed isn't the issue - its 75mph according to wonkypedia. Its their acceleration. On the ELL they're so slow off the mark they barely get up to any decent speed before they have to slow down again for the next stop. I can only assume the stations on the watford branch are further apart. Either that or we enter conspiracy theory land and assume there's a deliberate policy on the ELL to provide a slow service. Dalston Jn to Surrey Quays is 9 stops in 6.97 km, an average of 0.77 km. Willesden Jn to Watford Jn is 13 stops in 19.71 km, an average of 1.52 km, almost twice as much. Are you seriously implying that 770m isn't long enough for a modern metro train to get up to line speed with room to spare? That fact that the 378s can't manage it says it all about their suitability for the route. -- Spud |
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(Paul Corfield) wrote: On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 15:07:07 -0600, wrote: There's no third rail electrification near to the curve now. The only third rail lines anywhere near are the East London Line pair of tracks with no physical connection to the North London Line except the so far never commissioned "stock transfer" connection some way to the west, at the end of platform 2 at Highbury and Islington. I suspect connection will never be commissioned now. They can use the connection at Clapham Junction far more easily. The East London extension to Highbury was planned before the South London Line takeover was planned. I read something recently that said it is going to be commissioned as NR had stopped providing completely ludicrous quotes for the work. Something far more reasonable has been negotiated and TfL want the work done. No idea of timescale. Good news then. Hardly a high priority though, unless I'm missing a reason for regular use. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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In article , d
() wrote: On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 11:47:55 -0600 wrote: In article , d () wrote: On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 10:40:34 -0600 wrote: Well it makes more sense than thousands of people spilling out at finsbury, shuffling onto the victoria line - which is already seriously overcrowded there in the rush hour - for one stop then getting off at highbury when there is an underused freight line - albeit single track - onto the NLL that could have been used for passenger trains. It was singled to get it electrified through the tunnel which would otherwise have been problematic. It's not really an answer here because it would mean a flat crossing of the North London line. So? Its not the M25. I've waited at H&I and not seen a train go past on the NLL for 10 minutes. ITYF that capacity is already constrained on the NLL, mainly unsatisfied freight paths. "Constrained" obviously has a different meaning in railway parlance then. Even a couple of trains an hour to finsbury would be better than nothing. Constrained in the sense that TfL and the Mayor would like to run a more frequent North London Line service but isn't being allowed to do so because of lack of capacity, allowing for the freight paths. The recently changed layout introduces what are in effect freight loops at Caledonian Road & Barnsbury but the Canonbury curve is to the east of them. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 05:13:43 -0600
wrote: In article , d () wrote: "Constrained" obviously has a different meaning in railway parlance then. Even a couple of trains an hour to finsbury would be better than nothing. Constrained in the sense that TfL and the Mayor would like to run a more frequent North London Line service but isn't being allowed to do so because of lack of capacity, allowing for the freight paths. The recently changed layout introduces what are in effect freight loops at Caledonian Road & Barnsbury but the Canonbury curve is to the east of them. Is it really necessary for freight to use the NLL in the first place? Surely there must be other routes it can take. Or just do most freight at night with a limited service in the day. -- Spud |
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5 car Overground trains to Watford Junction
In article , d ()
wrote: On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 05:13:43 -0600 wrote: In article , d () wrote: "Constrained" obviously has a different meaning in railway parlance then. Even a couple of trains an hour to finsbury would be better than nothing. Constrained in the sense that TfL and the Mayor would like to run a more frequent North London Line service but isn't being allowed to do so because of lack of capacity, allowing for the freight paths. The recently changed layout introduces what are in effect freight loops at Caledonian Road & Barnsbury but the Canonbury curve is to the east of them. Is it really necessary for freight to use the NLL in the first place? Surely there must be other routes it can take. Or just do most freight at night with a limited service in the day. I thought you knew everything? Obviously not or you would have know about traffic from the UK's busiest port to its busiest main railway line. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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5 car Overground trains to Watford Junction
On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 09:19:35 -0600
wrote: In article , d () wrote: Is it really necessary for freight to use the NLL in the first place? Surely there must be other routes it can take. Or just do most freight at night with a limited service in the day. I thought you knew everything? Obviously not or you would have know about traffic from the UK's busiest port to its busiest main railway line. Sadly I don't have the time nor inclination to review the entire railway route map of the UK. -- Spud |
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