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Roland Perry · January 15th 15, 01:54 PM posted to uk.transport.london

In message , at 08:16:38
on Thu, 15 Jan 2015, remarked:

Isn't the busiest main line the GEML into Liverpool St?

Not sure but I doubt it.

It's certainly the busiest in terms of passenger numbers (38m using
Euston vs 58m at Liverpool St). Both are higher than the other main line
termini: Kings Cross, Paddington and St Pancras.

If we filter on trains passing through Stratford [so excluding WA,
Chingford etc] and Watford Junction on their way to the respective
stations, in the hour from 8am, it's 35 to Liverpool St and 11 to
Euston.
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Roland Perry

[email protected] · January 15th 15, 03:02 PM posted to uk.transport.london

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
08:16:38 on Thu, 15 Jan 2015, remarked:

Isn't the busiest main line the GEML into Liverpool St?

Not sure but I doubt it.

It's certainly the busiest in terms of passenger numbers (38m using
Euston vs 58m at Liverpool St). Both are higher than the other main
line termini: Kings Cross, Paddington and St Pancras.

If we filter on trains passing through Stratford [so excluding WA,
Chingford etc] and Watford Junction on their way to the respective
stations, in the hour from 8am, it's 35 to Liverpool St and 11 to
Euston.

Recliner has already reminded us we're not just talking about passengers,
with the WCML being the busiest mixed-traffic railway in Europe, supposedly.
Since the discussion is about freight on the NLL we might have thought you'd
have remembered that.

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Colin Rosenstiel

[email protected] · January 15th 15, 03:02 PM posted to uk.transport.london

In article , d
() wrote:

On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 05:00:24 -0600
wrote:
In article ,
d () wrote:
Actually I've looked at the link to the ECML on google maps and the
only one I can find is facing the wrong way for ELL so I take back
what I said. Pity.

The busiest main line isn't the ECML, as I'm sure a man of your great
learning knows very well.

Ok. And? Finsbury Park is on the ECML , not the WCML.

But the main freight traffic flow on the North London Line which is in
the way of your Canonbury Curve passenger traffic idea is between
Felixstowe and the West Coast Main Line. Did you not know that, o
knowledgeable one?

No. I care about the railways when its of concern to my commute. I
currently have no plans on commuting in a container to or from Felixstow.

You must be a fan of the mayor. He doesn't care where the freight goes
either as long as he can have more passenger trains on the NLL.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Roland Perry · January 15th 15, 03:16 PM posted to uk.transport.london

In message , at 10:02:18
on Thu, 15 Jan 2015, remarked:
If we filter on trains passing through Stratford [so excluding WA,
Chingford etc] and Watford Junction on their way to the respective
stations, in the hour from 8am, it's 35 to Liverpool St and 11 to
Euston.

Recliner has already reminded us we're not just talking about passengers,
with the WCML being the busiest mixed-traffic railway in Europe, supposedly.
Since the discussion is about freight on the NLL we might have thought you'd
have remembered that.

Can you post a link to 24tph freight trains each way on the WCML?

I can see up to about eight an hour flicking through RTT (4 each way).

Of course there's also freight on the GEML, up to four an hour (2 each
way), which sort of puts a limit on the number going GEML-WCML. Pretty
much all of those four go round the NLL, of course.

--
Roland Perry

[email protected] · January 15th 15, 03:23 PM posted to uk.transport.london

On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 10:02:18 -0600
wrote:
You must be a fan of the mayor. He doesn't care where the freight goes
either as long as he can have more passenger trains on the NLL.

Actually I can't stand the man. His lovable buffoon act is worn out and cynical
and so are his policies. But that aside, I don't see why freight trains can't
go through london at night like HGVs do. There can't be THAT many of them.

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Spud

[email protected] · January 15th 15, 07:13 PM posted to uk.transport.london

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
10:02:18 on Thu, 15 Jan 2015, remarked:
If we filter on trains passing through Stratford [so excluding WA,
Chingford etc] and Watford Junction on their way to the respective
stations, in the hour from 8am, it's 35 to Liverpool St and 11 to
Euston.

Recliner has already reminded us we're not just talking about passengers,
with the WCML being the busiest mixed-traffic railway in Europe,
supposedly. Since the discussion is about freight on the NLL we might
have thought you'd have remembered that.

Can you post a link to 24tph freight trains each way on the WCML?

No, but then I never mentioned any such figure.

I can see up to about eight an hour flicking through RTT (4 each way).

Of course there's also freight on the GEML, up to four an hour (2
each way), which sort of puts a limit on the number going GEML-WCML.
Pretty much all of those four go round the NLL, of course.

That is probably the current limit, along with the passenger services. All
this excursion means is that there would not be the paths across that stream
of trains for a regular service via Canonbury Curve as well, remember.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

[email protected] · January 15th 15, 07:13 PM posted to uk.transport.london

In article , d
() wrote:

On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 10:02:18 -0600
wrote:
You must be a fan of the mayor. He doesn't care where the freight goes
either as long as he can have more passenger trains on the NLL.

Actually I can't stand the man. His lovable buffoon act is worn out and
cynical and so are his policies. But that aside, I don't see why freight
trains can't go through london at night like HGVs do. There can't be
THAT many of them.

I was careful to say "the mayor" because on this issue the present and
previous incumbents are as one.

The demand for freight is too much for the few trains that could be fitted
between maintenance work at night of course.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Roland Perry · January 15th 15, 07:18 PM posted to uk.transport.london

In message , at 14:13:37
on Thu, 15 Jan 2015, remarked:
If we filter on trains passing through Stratford [so excluding WA,
Chingford etc] and Watford Junction on their way to the respective
stations, in the hour from 8am, it's 35 to Liverpool St and 11 to
Euston.

Recliner has already reminded us we're not just talking about passengers,
with the WCML being the busiest mixed-traffic railway in Europe,
supposedly. Since the discussion is about freight on the NLL we might
have thought you'd have remembered that.

Can you post a link to 24tph freight trains each way on the WCML?

No, but then I never mentioned any such figure.

It's what's needed to add to the 11 passenger trains to get towards the
35 passenger and 2 freights on the GWML.
--
Roland Perry

[email protected] · January 15th 15, 07:53 PM posted to uk.transport.london

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
14:13:37 on Thu, 15 Jan 2015, remarked:
If we filter on trains passing through Stratford [so excluding WA,
Chingford etc] and Watford Junction on their way to the respective
stations, in the hour from 8am, it's 35 to Liverpool St and 11 to
Euston.

Recliner has already reminded us we're not just talking about
passengers, with the WCML being the busiest mixed-traffic railway in
Europe, supposedly. Since the discussion is about freight on the NLL
we might have thought you'd have remembered that.

Can you post a link to 24tph freight trains each way on the WCML?

No, but then I never mentioned any such figure.

It's what's needed to add to the 11 passenger trains to get towards
the 35 passenger and 2 freights on the GWML.

Eh? Where did the GWML come in? The WCML congestion would be better measured
at Rugby I think. And, of course, freight traffic is depressed in the
passenger peaks. What the Mayor wants is higher frequencies all day on the
NLL.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Roland Perry · January 16th 15, 06:13 AM posted to uk.transport.london

In message , at 14:53:06
on Thu, 15 Jan 2015, remarked:
If we filter on trains passing through Stratford [so excluding WA,
Chingford etc] and Watford Junction on their way to the respective
stations, in the hour from 8am, it's 35 to Liverpool St and 11 to
Euston.

Recliner has already reminded us we're not just talking about
passengers, with the WCML being the busiest mixed-traffic railway in
Europe, supposedly. Since the discussion is about freight on the NLL
we might have thought you'd have remembered that.

Can you post a link to 24tph freight trains each way on the WCML?

No, but then I never mentioned any such figure.

It's what's needed to add to the 11 passenger trains to get towards
the 35 passenger and 2 freights on the GWML.

Eh? Where did the GWML come in?

Do keep up! It was my suggestion of the busiest main line.

The WCML congestion would be better measured at Rugby I think.

Weren't we looking for the busiest, rather than the most congested?

And, of course, freight traffic is depressed in the passenger peaks.

Let's try Rugby and Shenfield, for 10am to 11am:

Rugby: 30 trains, of which five are freight.
Shenfield: 33 trains of which two are freight.

So a bit closer, but by no means a walkover for the WCML.
--
Roland Perry

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