"Adrian" wrote in message
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A four track NLL may well segregate the two traffic flows. But, it
does not spare Londonners the noise, dust and polution created by the
freight flows that should be routed elsewhere.


How would you get four tracks through Finchley Road & Frognal, even if
Hampstead tunnel could be widened to take four tracks ?

Jim Hawkins

On 26 Mar, 17:30, "Jim Hawkins" wrote:
How would you get four tracks through Finchley Road & Frognal, even if
Hampstead tunnel could be widened to take four tracks ?

You don't. Four tracking is only currently needed as far as Camden
Road, since passenger demand is lower west of there and a big chunk of
freight leaves the line via Primrose Hill.

U

Paul Corfield wrote:

Excellent pictures.

Thank you.

In the meantime I get my small NYPD subway fix by watching the truly
excellent video to George Michael's Killer / Papa was a rolling stone. I
was going to set you the challenge to see if you could identify the
various locations as they seem to be archetypal shots of subway trains /
junctions. Not too bothered by the stations as they are particularly
difficult to identify.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH6GIr_O07o

Almost all of the underground scenes were filmed in the
Hoyt-Schermerhorn Streets station in Brooklyn, which has two tracks and
two platforms that aren't used in regular service. (At a few points,
the "HOYT" tiling is visible.) The passing trains were regular A and C
trains, presumably running in service; they run on the tracks adjacent
to the unused platforms (opposite the unused tracks).

The above-ground scenes appear to all be in the vicinity of Queensboro
Plaza.

There was one brief scene, around 1:59, that seems to be in a BMT
station. I'm not sure which one it is -- it could be Lexington Avenue /
59th Street. The same station may also be visible at 2:14.

(Challenge? The greatest challenge was finding a computer that didn't
choke on YouTube!)
--
David of Broadway
New York, NY, USA

MIG wrote:
On Mar 18, 7:12 pm, David of Broadway
wrote:
MIG wrote:
I bet you are looking forward to Oyster being introduced on FCC/One in
Greater London, so that you'll have to get off to touch in/out and
wait half an hour for the next train every journey or else pay more
for the bit where you could do it on Oyster (probably at an
excessively hiked rate to discourage non-Oyster use in Greater London
etc).
Put a few Oyster pads on the train.

If the relevant authorities were prepared to do this, they would have
done so on LU trains. They have not done so. Why should we expect
any better when Oyster is introduced on NR?

What purpose would Oyster pads serve on LU trains?

The entire LU system is within the zones, and all stations served by LU
trains have Oyster pads.

Most of the NR system is outside the zones, and most NR stations -- the
ones outside the London region -- don't have and will presumably never
have have Oyster pads. Oyster pads on the trains would be useful for
people traveling between points outside the London region and points
inside the London region.
--
David of Broadway
New York, NY, USA

David of Broadway wrote:

Most of the NR system is outside the zones, and most NR stations --
the ones outside the London region -- don't have and will presumably
never have have Oyster pads. Oyster pads on the trains would be
useful for people traveling between points outside the London region
and points inside the London region.

Given how easy it was to fit telephone points to new stock (for the brief
period between the technology becoming possible and mobile phone use
becoming so widespread, thus rendering the telephones obsolete and leading
to their removal), it should be entirely possible.

David of Broadway wrote:

Most of the NR system is outside the zones, and most NR stations -- the
ones outside the London region -- don't have and will presumably never
have have Oyster pads. Oyster pads on the trains would be useful for
people traveling between points outside the London region and points
inside the London region.

How? Given the existence of combined day return/Travelcard tickets,
combined train/tube tickets, and Boundary Zone tickets, I can't think
of many journeys that would really benefit from this.

U

David of Broadway wrote:

MIG wrote:

On Mar 18, 7:12 pm, David of Broadway
wrote:

MIG wrote:

I bet you are looking forward to Oyster being introduced on FCC/One in
Greater London, so that you'll have to get off to touch in/out and
wait half an hour for the next train every journey or else pay more
for the bit where you could do it on Oyster (probably at an
excessively hiked rate to discourage non-Oyster use in Greater London
etc).

Put a few Oyster pads on the train.


If the relevant authorities were prepared to do this, they would have
done so on LU trains. They have not done so. Why should we expect
any better when Oyster is introduced on NR?


What purpose would Oyster pads serve on LU trains?

The entire LU system is within the zones, and all stations served by LU
trains have Oyster pads.


I think you are missing the situation where paper travelcards are
combined with Oyster PAYG. Say for example that you have a National Rail
season ticket from a station outside the zones that includes a Z2-6
travelcard. If you one day want to travel into zone 1 using LU services
it is not practically possible to combine it with Oyster PAYG.

It is of course possible to get off the train at the last Z2 station, up
the escalators, out through the gates with the paper travelcard and in
again with the Oyster card and then down to the next train, but it would
help with Oyster validators on the trains in this situation.

The demand for it is probably higher on National Rail trains, but there
are situations they could be useful on tube trains too.

--
Olof Lagerkvist
ICQ: 724451
Web: http://here.is/olof

On Mar 26, 9:09 pm, Olof Lagerkvist wrote:
David of Broadway wrote:
MIG wrote:

On Mar 18, 7:12 pm, David of Broadway
wrote:

MIG wrote:

I bet you are looking forward to Oyster being introduced on FCC/One in
Greater London, so that you'll have to get off to touch in/out and
wait half an hour for the next train every journey or else pay more
for the bit where you could do it on Oyster (probably at an
excessively hiked rate to discourage non-Oyster use in Greater London
etc).

Put a few Oyster pads on the train.

If the relevant authorities were prepared to do this, they would have
done so on LU trains. They have not done so. Why should we expect
any better when Oyster is introduced on NR?

What purpose would Oyster pads serve on LU trains?

The entire LU system is within the zones, and all stations served by LU
trains have Oyster pads.

I think you are missing the situation where paper travelcards are
combined with Oyster PAYG. Say for example that you have a National Rail
season ticket from a station outside the zones that includes a Z2-6
travelcard. If you one day want to travel into zone 1 using LU services
it is not practically possible to combine it with Oyster PAYG.

It is of course possible to get off the train at the last Z2 station, up
the escalators, out through the gates with the paper travelcard and in
again with the Oyster card and then down to the next train, but it would
help with Oyster validators on the trains in this situation.

The demand for it is probably higher on National Rail trains, but there
are situations they could be useful on tube trains too.



Thank you, that is exactly the kind of situation I find myself in
repeatedly, living near an NR station, in the opposite direction from
an Oyster stop, with a paper zone 1 and 2 travelcard, and occasionally
having to go to Canning Town, which requires getting off at North
Greenwich, going up the escalator, touching in and waiting for a later
train (or else paying £4 for a paper extension).

MIG wrote.
On Mar 26, 9:09 pm, Olof Lagerkvist wrote

I think you are missing the situation where paper travelcards are
combined with Oyster PAYG. Say for example that you have a National
Rail
season ticket from a station outside the zones that includes a Z2-6
travelcard. If you one day want to travel into zone 1 using LU
services
it is not practically possible to combine it with Oyster PAYG.

If the season is on Oyster AND the out of zone travel on NR is on one
of the few 'valid for Oyster PAYG' routes this surely works now ?
Otherwise you have to buy a paper ticket to cover the out of zone
travel on NR or get off in Z2 and transfer to LU which is precisely
"travel into zone 1 using LU".

Thank you, that is exactly the kind of situation I find myself in
repeatedly, living near an NR station, in the opposite direction from
an Oyster stop, with a paper zone 1 and 2 travelcard, and
occasionally
having to go to Canning Town, which requires getting off at North
Greenwich, going up the escalator, touching in and waiting for a
later
train (or else paying £4 for a paper extension).

Getting the travelcard (if it's a weekly or longer season) on Oyster
fixes this, leaving only buying a ODTC and getting an unexpected call
to go to Canning Town during the day.

--
Mike D

Mr Thant wrote:
David of Broadway wrote:

Most of the NR system is outside the zones, and most NR stations -- the
ones outside the London region -- don't have and will presumably never
have have Oyster pads. Oyster pads on the trains would be useful for
people traveling between points outside the London region and points
inside the London region.

How? Given the existence of combined day return/Travelcard tickets,
combined train/tube tickets, and Boundary Zone tickets, I can't think
of many journeys that would really benefit from this.

To allow a holder of a paper NR Travelcard to extend his or her trip via
LU without having to buy an expensive paper extension ticket.
--
David of Broadway
New York, NY