On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 01:33:47PM +0000, Roland Perry wrote:

Indeed. What's required is a better paradigm for loading an OEP on your
Oyster-travelcard. For example, machines in Central London at places
where people start their journeys to the suburbs marked:

"Travelling beyond your Oyster travelcard zones today? Then touch here".

And, of course, vice versa for those who live in, say, zone 4, work in
zone 2, and so have a 2-4 travelcard, but occasionally travel into zone 1.

--
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In message , at 12:13:27
on Mon, 8 Mar 2010, David Cantrell remarked:
What's required is a better paradigm for loading an OEP on your
Oyster-travelcard. For example, machines in Central London at places
where people start their journeys to the suburbs marked:

"Travelling beyond your Oyster travelcard zones today? Then touch here".

And, of course, vice versa for those who live in, say, zone 4, work in
zone 2, and so have a 2-4 travelcard, but occasionally travel into zone 1.

You could put them everywhere, but it needs starting somewhere - best to
choose places where the effect will be the greatest.
--
Roland Perry

Tim Roll-Pickering wrote

And if the level of publicity about OEPs at stations served by SWT is

similar to National Express ones, how is the layperson going to hear
about
OEPs?

Every SWT station got the "Oyster PAYG on NR" leaflet on its rack which
has OEP information (just like the LU leaflet with the same title).

--
Mike D

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In message , Ian F.
writes

Just to say thanks for all the responses. I wonder what the likelihood is
of being penalised if you are found to not have an OEP when you need one.
Depends on the individual gripper, I suppose.

According to the London Travelwatch meeting on 18/2/2010 TfL reported that
Penalty Fares for a lack of OEP when needed "are not yet being enforced".

The same meeting was told that ATOC are monitoring the usage of OEPs "and
will decide whether to continue OEPs by June 2010".

I wouldn't be in the least surprised if they are abandoned, given that
only 3% of passengers are using them correctly.

Surely, if the above is true then we can help with the "sad but unavoidable
demise" of OEPs by encouraging the world + dog (& the dog's vet) to never
get or use an OEP! UKTL campaign troop...Hoo!
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Michael R N Dolbear wrote:

And if the level of publicity about OEPs at stations served by SWT is
similar to National Express ones, how is the layperson going to hear
about
OEPs?

Every SWT station got the "Oyster PAYG on NR" leaflet on its rack which
has OEP information (just like the LU leaflet with the same title).

I can't say the leaflets leapt out at me when I was last at Waterloo or
Ewell West, to take two extreme cases. And it's all very well being buried
in a leaflet but are there any posters up around ticket offices that
actually try to grab passengers' attention?

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

Indeed. What's required is a better paradigm for loading an OEP on
your Oyster-travelcard. For example, machines in Central London at
places where people start their journeys to the suburbs marked:

"Travelling beyond your Oyster travelcard zones today? Then touch here".

In the case that started this thread the OP needed to load an OEP at
Clapham Junction. He would have to find a ticket stop with few clues while
standing at the station.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article 01cabee6$9d4b6540$LocalHost@default, (Michael
R N Dolbear) wrote:

Tim Roll-Pickering wrote

And if the level of publicity about OEPs at stations served by
SWT is similar to National Express ones, how is the layperson going
to hear about OEPs?

Every SWT station got the "Oyster PAYG on NR" leaflet on its rack which
has OEP information (just like the LU leaflet with the same title).

and a notice saying "We don't do Oyster top-ups on SWT". :-(

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Mar 9, 12:53*am, wrote:

(Roland Perry) wrote:
Indeed. What's required is a better paradigm for loading an OEP on
your Oyster-travelcard. For example, machines in Central London at
places where people start their journeys to the suburbs marked:

"Travelling beyond your Oyster travelcard zones today? Then touch here"..

In the case that started this thread the OP needed to load an OEP at
Clapham Junction. He would have to find a ticket stop with few clues while
standing at the station.

There is actually an Oyster ticket stop aka newsagent in the atrium of
the shopping centre/ ticket hall at Clapham Junction station - a
comment in a some TfL Board papers said it was the busiest Ticket Stop
out there, which isn't surprising given that SWT don't offer any top-
up facilities at their ticket windows or ticket machines.

That's not to say it isn't absurd that TOCs supposedly insist on this
OEP requirement and then don't provide any facilities themselves for
obtaining one. Anyhow as I've already said I wouldn't get too fussed
about the whole OEP thing - I'd only bother with it if OEPs are
actually available from the ticket machines or ticket office at the
starting station (e.g. Southern TVMs offer them). Not sure if,
arriving at London Bridge mainline station, I'd bother to traipse all
the way down to the Underground station just to obtain an OEP because
they're no available in the mainline station.

Tim Roll-Pickering wrote

Michael R N Dolbear wrote:

And if the level of publicity about OEPs at stations served by SWT
is
similar to National Express ones, how is the layperson going to
hear
about
OEPs?

Every SWT station got the "Oyster PAYG on NR" leaflet on its rack
which
has OEP information (just like the LU leaflet with the same title).

I can't say the leaflets leapt out at me when I was last at Waterloo
or
Ewell West, to take two extreme cases. And it's all very well being
buried
in a leaflet but are there any posters up around ticket offices that
actually try to grab passengers' attention?

Given the publicity about the extension of PAYG, looking for a leaflet
or at a website seems a reasonable thing for a "layperson" to do.

At Waterloo the racks are in the middle of the concourse, next to the
racks with pocket timetables for all SWT and Waterloo East services. I
also noted them at Walton-on-Thames and Barnes Bridge in the racks that
hold the leaflets for Network and other railcards.

Posters are currently being used for publicity for the Super Off-Peak
evening restrictions that were also introduced in January. It would be
difficult to conduct two at once and reasonable to stick to leaflets
except possibly at Richmond and Wimbledon.

Does TfL have a postal address for every Oyster TC of 1 month or more ?
Posting a leaflet to all that are not zone 1-6 or more would work.

--
Mike D

On Mar 9, 6:21*pm, "Michael R N Dolbear" wrote:

Tim Roll-Pickering wrote

Michael R N Dolbear wrote:

And if the level of publicity about OEPs at stations served by
SWT is similar to National Express ones, how is the layperson
going to hear about OEPs?

Every SWT station got the "Oyster PAYG on NR" leaflet on its
rack which has OEP information (just like the LU leaflet with the
same title).

I can't say the leaflets leapt out at me when I was last at Waterloo
or Ewell West, to take two extreme cases. And it's all very well
being buried in a leaflet but are there any posters up around ticket
offices that actually try to grab passengers' attention?

Given the publicity about the extension of PAYG, looking for a leaflet
or at a website seems a reasonable thing for a "layperson" to do.

Hmm... a layperson is going to think 'great - I can *finally* use
Oyster PAYG on NR, so now combining a Travelcard and PAYG will be nice
and easy just like it is on the Tube'.


At Waterloo the racks are in the middle of the concourse, next to the
racks with pocket timetables for all SWT and Waterloo East services. I
also noted them at Walton-on-Thames and Barnes Bridge in the racks that
hold the leaflets for Network and other railcards.

Posters are currently being used for publicity for the Super Off-Peak
evening restrictions that were also introduced in January. It would be
difficult to conduct two at once and reasonable to stick to leaflets
except possibly at Richmond and Wimbledon.

But why are these posters being given such prominence at stations
within the London zones - the evening restrictions irrelevant to any
pax setting out on their outbound journey at those stations (e.g.
there's no Super Off-Peak fares or Travelcards for journeys from
London stations into Waterloo, because all rail fares in London are
uniform across all TOCs).

Indeed I wonder why the yellow stickers with information about Super
Off-Peak evening restrictions have been stuck to SWT TVMs at places
like Vauxhall when they don't have any relevance - is it just to add
to the general confusion over fares?!

FWIW I think some of Southern's posters promoting Oyster PAYG attempt
to explain the OEP situation, but I'll try and remember to check.


Does TfL have a postal address for every Oyster TC of 1 month or more ?
Posting a leaflet to all that are not zone 1-6 or more would work.

TfL aren't exactly all that keen on the whole OEP arrangement though!
They went along with it because it what needed to be done in order to
finally get the TOCs on board for PAYG on NR.