On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 02:26:58PM +0000, Neil Williams wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 13:19:01 +0000, David Cantrell
wrote:
And for people like my blind mother, there will still be staff
available
to help her buy a ticket.
It is probably more economically sound that she travels free than
that there is a ticket office there for her.

Probably. And she would if she lived in London because she'd have some
species of Freedom Pass.

Things get more complicated because my father is a BR pensioner, so they
both get priv rate travel on the tube. I'm guessing that that won't be
available via ticket machines!

--
David Cantrell | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david

I think the most difficult moment that anyone could face is seeing
their domestic servants, whether maid or drivers, run away
-- Abdul Rahman Al-Sheikh, writing on 25 Jan 2004 at
http://archive.arabnews.com/?article=38558

On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 09:08:44AM -0600, wrote:
In article ,
(David Cantrell) wrote:
I say good riddance to ticket offices, despite my own mother not being
able to use the machines, provided that they still provide some way of
dealing with Oyster errors at stations.
You mean they introduce ways of dealing with Oyster errors at stations? Most
problems I ever have they (including ticket office staff) say "ring the
helpline".

The times I've had problems they were sorted out at a station.

--
David Cantrell | Cake Smuggler Extraordinaire

The Law of Daves: in any gathering of technical people, the
number of Daves will be greater than the number of women.

"David Cantrell" wrote

Probably. And she would if she lived in London because she'd have some
species of Freedom Pass.

Things get more complicated because my father is a BR pensioner, so they
both get priv rate travel on the tube. I'm guessing that that won't be
available via ticket machines!

When it still existed I was once in the queue at Bromley South Travel Centre
(run then by South East Trains). Someone who I took to be a widow of a BR
staff member was arranging ticketing for a journey to Wickford. It took a
considerable time to issue the correct ticket (Priv Return BZ6 to Wickford,
as her Freedom Pass would take her to BZ6) and explain to her what she would
need to show if she was gripped. The whole fare, let alone the Commission,
wouldn't have paid the clerk's time in arranging the transaction.

Peter

On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 12:26:10 +0000, David Cantrell
wrote:
Things get more complicated because my father is a BR pensioner, so
they
both get priv rate travel on the tube. I'm guessing that that won't
be
available via ticket machines!

I see no reason it should not be.

Neil

--
Neil Williams. Use neil before the at to reply.

In article ,
(David Cantrell) wrote:

On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 02:26:58PM +0000, Neil Williams wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 13:19:01 +0000, David Cantrell
wrote:
And for people like my blind mother, there will still be staff
available to help her buy a ticket.
It is probably more economically sound that she travels free than
that there is a ticket office there for her.

Probably. And she would if she lived in London because she'd have some
species of Freedom Pass.

Things get more complicated because my father is a BR pensioner, so they
both get priv rate travel on the tube. I'm guessing that that won't be
available via ticket machines!

How will special tickets like privs be issued without ticket offices? Can
one buy a cash ticket from a machine? I can't say I've noticed the option
recently.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"Neil Williams" wrote in message
.net...
On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 18:50:12 +0100, "tim......"
wrote:
The demographic that been tested wants them, but are you sure that
that's a
majority. there are certainly many who don't see the need for them
and
don't want the risk accociated with something that they will never
use

Your loss.

I wasn't stating a personal position, just telling you how it is

tim

"Neil Williams" wrote in message
. net...
On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 12:26:10 +0000, David Cantrell
wrote:
Things get more complicated because my father is a BR pensioner, so
they
both get priv rate travel on the tube. I'm guessing that that won't
be
available via ticket machines!

I see no reason it should not be.

that fact that all and sundry will be buying themselves priv tickets is the
reason that they will use

tim

wrote in message
...
In article ,
(David Cantrell) wrote:

On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 02:26:58PM +0000, Neil Williams wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 13:19:01 +0000, David Cantrell
wrote:
And for people like my blind mother, there will still be staff
available to help her buy a ticket.
It is probably more economically sound that she travels free than
that there is a ticket office there for her.

Probably. And she would if she lived in London because she'd have some
species of Freedom Pass.

Things get more complicated because my father is a BR pensioner, so they
both get priv rate travel on the tube. I'm guessing that that won't be
available via ticket machines!

How will special tickets like privs be issued without ticket offices? Can
one buy a cash ticket from a machine?

Yes

most people queuing up at the machine are buying "cash" tickets, few of them
are topping up Oysters.

Of course for cash you can substitute card, I assume that you were using the
term to identify the type of ticket bought, not actual payment method

tim

"tim......" wrote:
wrote in message
...
In article ,
(David Cantrell) wrote:

On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 02:26:58PM +0000, Neil Williams wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 13:19:01 +0000, David Cantrell
wrote:
And for people like my blind mother, there will still be staff
available to help her buy a ticket.
It is probably more economically sound that she travels free than
that there is a ticket office there for her.

Probably. And she would if she lived in London because she'd have some
species of Freedom Pass.

Things get more complicated because my father is a BR pensioner, so they
both get priv rate travel on the tube. I'm guessing that that won't be
available via ticket machines!

How will special tickets like privs be issued without ticket offices? Can
one buy a cash ticket from a machine?

Yes

most people queuing up at the machine are buying "cash" tickets, few of
them are topping up Oysters.

Of course for cash you can substitute card, I assume that you were using
the term to identify the type of ticket bought, not actual payment method

I wonder if TfL will maintain the high premium for "cash" fares once the
ticket offices close? I think the premium was first introduced to deter
people from using the ticket offices.

Neil Williams wrote:
In most other countries I expect they would be unavailable and it
would just be a "tourist tax". Or a city tax would be charged on
hotel rooms and a free ticket issued for everyone staying.

I wonder if, say, a £3 per day flat-rate fee on hotel rooms and give
everyone a free Z1-2 travelcard would do the trick - not everyone will use
it but it solves the problem for the rest.

There could also be machines at exit stations for converting Oyster cards
into cash - the hotel takes a deposit for the card, the deposit is returned
when you exit your last station in London.

The only question is for people buying the ticket from their plane/train
terminus and the hotel before they pick up their travelcard. Maybe the
hotel issues a code so you can collect that Oyster from a machine when you
arrive.

Theo