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Congestion charge to N/S Circular??????
In message , at 21:11:51 on Fri, 16 Oct
2020, tim... remarked: "Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 17:06:48 on Fri, 16 Oct 2020, tim... remarked: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tran...haun-bailey-ra lly-against-extension-of-congestion-charge-zone-a4571826.html Other media available As a disinterested party, I can't believe that anyone is seriously suggesting this The N/S Circular area isn't like the central area where everyone inside it is moderately well off, or lives in a bubble where they can walk/bus to whatever service that they need. People who live in the "Circular" area, are people in normal employment with lives that mean that they have to have a car. and an annual tax of 5,475 pounds to own one, is bloody ridiculous That's only if you use it every day. If the local councillors suggested this they would be out on their ears at the next election It's only because Boris is a Tory, and most of the affected LAs are Labour/LibDem run that he has a hope of getting away with this politically This will be seen as the Mayor's fault, so Labour will get the flack. but it's still a bag of nonsense socially. It's nothing to do with congestion, but simply a potential way to raise a poll-tax the pay for TfL's huge deficit. we know that but why should car owners in this zone pay for it? One reason is that they are (like it or not) under Tfl's umbrella, and so are one of the more direct sources of income. Rather than for example imposing a council tax surcharge on everyone in London. Another is that if TfL has to drastically cut services it'll force more vehicles onto the roads, inconveniencing existing motorists. It's PT uses that benefited from the fare freeze, they should be paying for that mistake Putting up fares won't solve the deficit (especially in the current pandemic). -- Roland Perry |
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Congestion charge to N/S Circular??????
In message , at 23:01:02 on Fri, 16
Oct 2020, Ian Jackson remarked: People who live in the "Circular" area, are people in normal employment with lives that mean that they have to have a car. and an annual tax of 5,475 pounds to own one, is bloody ridiculous If the local councillors suggested this they would be out on their ears at the next election It's only because Boris is a Tory, and most of the affected LAs are Labour/LibDem run that he has a hope of getting away with this politically but it's still a bag of nonsense socially. It's nothing to do with congestion, but simply a potential way to raise a poll-tax the pay for TfL's huge deficit. After the N/S Circular, how long before the M25? Some of the media is speculating already. -- Roland Perry |
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Congestion charge to N/S Circular??????
"Robin" wrote in message ... On 17/10/2020 08:00, tim... wrote: "Robin" wrote in message ... On 16/10/2020 17:06, tim... wrote: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tran...-a4571826.html Other media available As a disinterested party, I can't believe that anyone is seriously suggesting this The N/S Circular area isn't like the central area where everyone inside it is moderately well off, or lives in a bubble where they can walk/bus to whatever service that they need. People who live in the "Circular" area, are people in normal employment with lives that mean that they have to have a car. and an annual tax of 5,475 pounds to own one, is bloody ridiculous If residents get the same 90% discount as with the current CC that'd be 547.5. only for the first vehicle many families are going to have 2 the discount is limited to one vehicle per /resident/ not per household. See Annex 3 to the Order: "At no time may particulars of more than one vehicle be entered in the register, in relation to any one individual who is a qualified resident." "As part of temporary changes to the Congestion Charge, the residents' discount is closed to new applicants" ...to discourage car ownership in the CC zone. I suggest they'd never get away with that within the N/S circulars. Apart from anything else a lot of Assembly Members (and MPs) would be clobbered. but it's potentially being imposed upon these people by national government the opposition parties looking for re-election locally can argue that they have clean hands by my count, the Tories have 2 constituencies and 1 assembly seat in this new CC zone, not already inside the old one tim |
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Congestion charge to N/S Circular??????
tim... wrote:
"Robin" wrote in message ... On 17/10/2020 08:00, tim... wrote: "Robin" wrote in message ... On 16/10/2020 17:06, tim... wrote: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tran...-a4571826.html Other media available As a disinterested party, I can't believe that anyone is seriously suggesting this The N/S Circular area isn't like the central area where everyone inside it is moderately well off, or lives in a bubble where they can walk/bus to whatever service that they need. People who live in the "Circular" area, are people in normal employment with lives that mean that they have to have a car. and an annual tax of 5,475 pounds to own one, is bloody ridiculous If residents get the same 90% discount as with the current CC that'd be 547.5. only for the first vehicle many families are going to have 2 the discount is limited to one vehicle per /resident/ not per household. See Annex 3 to the Order: "At no time may particulars of more than one vehicle be entered in the register, in relation to any one individual who is a qualified resident." "As part of temporary changes to the Congestion Charge, the residents' discount is closed to new applicants" ...to discourage car ownership in the CC zone. I suggest they'd never get away with that within the N/S circulars. Apart from anything else a lot of Assembly Members (and MPs) would be clobbered. but it's potentially being imposed upon these people by national government the opposition parties looking for re-election locally can argue that they have clean hands by my count, the Tories have 2 constituencies and 1 assembly seat in this new CC zone, not already inside the old one I'd imagine that it would also severely impact people living or working just outside the Circular Roads, and they wouldn't even have the option of a resident's discount. I suppose this confirms that the Tories have completely written off their already very slim chances of winning the London mayoralty next year. |
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Congestion charge to N/S Circular??????
On 17/10/2020 11:06, Recliner wrote:
tim... wrote: "Robin" wrote in message ... On 17/10/2020 08:00, tim... wrote: "Robin" wrote in message ... On 16/10/2020 17:06, tim... wrote: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tran...-a4571826.html Other media available As a disinterested party, I can't believe that anyone is seriously suggesting this The N/S Circular area isn't like the central area where everyone inside it is moderately well off, or lives in a bubble where they can walk/bus to whatever service that they need. People who live in the "Circular" area, are people in normal employment with lives that mean that they have to have a car. and an annual tax of 5,475 pounds to own one, is bloody ridiculous If residents get the same 90% discount as with the current CC that'd be 547.5. only for the first vehicle many families are going to have 2 the discount is limited to one vehicle per /resident/ not per household. See Annex 3 to the Order: "At no time may particulars of more than one vehicle be entered in the register, in relation to any one individual who is a qualified resident." "As part of temporary changes to the Congestion Charge, the residents' discount is closed to new applicants" ...to discourage car ownership in the CC zone. I suggest they'd never get away with that within the N/S circulars. Apart from anything else a lot of Assembly Members (and MPs) would be clobbered. but it's potentially being imposed upon these people by national government the opposition parties looking for re-election locally can argue that they have clean hands by my count, the Tories have 2 constituencies and 1 assembly seat in this new CC zone, not already inside the old one I had in mind MPs from other constituencies with accommodation inside the zone - plus others such as Dominic Cummings I'd imagine that it would also severely impact people living or working just outside the Circular Roads, and they wouldn't even have the option of a resident's discount. I suppose this confirms that the Tories have completely written off their already very slim chances of winning the London mayoralty next year. I took that as given when Bailey was selected -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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Congestion charge to N/S Circular??????
Robin wrote:
On 17/10/2020 11:06, Recliner wrote: tim... wrote: "Robin" wrote in message ... On 17/10/2020 08:00, tim... wrote: "Robin" wrote in message ... On 16/10/2020 17:06, tim... wrote: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tran...-a4571826.html Other media available As a disinterested party, I can't believe that anyone is seriously suggesting this The N/S Circular area isn't like the central area where everyone inside it is moderately well off, or lives in a bubble where they can walk/bus to whatever service that they need. People who live in the "Circular" area, are people in normal employment with lives that mean that they have to have a car. and an annual tax of 5,475 pounds to own one, is bloody ridiculous If residents get the same 90% discount as with the current CC that'd be 547.5. only for the first vehicle many families are going to have 2 the discount is limited to one vehicle per /resident/ not per household. See Annex 3 to the Order: "At no time may particulars of more than one vehicle be entered in the register, in relation to any one individual who is a qualified resident." "As part of temporary changes to the Congestion Charge, the residents' discount is closed to new applicants" ...to discourage car ownership in the CC zone. I suggest they'd never get away with that within the N/S circulars. Apart from anything else a lot of Assembly Members (and MPs) would be clobbered. but it's potentially being imposed upon these people by national government the opposition parties looking for re-election locally can argue that they have clean hands by my count, the Tories have 2 constituencies and 1 assembly seat in this new CC zone, not already inside the old one I had in mind MPs from other constituencies with accommodation inside the zone - plus others such as Dominic Cummings I'd imagine that it would also severely impact people living or working just outside the Circular Roads, and they wouldn't even have the option of a resident's discount. I suppose this confirms that the Tories have completely written off their already very slim chances of winning the London mayoralty next year. I took that as given when Bailey was selected There were rumblings about replacing him with someone electable, but nothing came of them. |
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Congestion charge to N/S Circular??????
On 17/10/2020 12:03, Recliner wrote:
Robin wrote: On 17/10/2020 11:06, Recliner wrote: tim... wrote: "Robin" wrote in message ... On 17/10/2020 08:00, tim... wrote: "Robin" wrote in message ... On 16/10/2020 17:06, tim... wrote: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tran...-a4571826.html Other media available As a disinterested party, I can't believe that anyone is seriously suggesting this The N/S Circular area isn't like the central area where everyone inside it is moderately well off, or lives in a bubble where they can walk/bus to whatever service that they need. People who live in the "Circular" area, are people in normal employment with lives that mean that they have to have a car. and an annual tax of 5,475 pounds to own one, is bloody ridiculous If residents get the same 90% discount as with the current CC that'd be 547.5. only for the first vehicle many families are going to have 2 the discount is limited to one vehicle per /resident/ not per household. See Annex 3 to the Order: "At no time may particulars of more than one vehicle be entered in the register, in relation to any one individual who is a qualified resident." "As part of temporary changes to the Congestion Charge, the residents' discount is closed to new applicants" ...to discourage car ownership in the CC zone. I suggest they'd never get away with that within the N/S circulars. Apart from anything else a lot of Assembly Members (and MPs) would be clobbered. but it's potentially being imposed upon these people by national government the opposition parties looking for re-election locally can argue that they have clean hands by my count, the Tories have 2 constituencies and 1 assembly seat in this new CC zone, not already inside the old one I had in mind MPs from other constituencies with accommodation inside the zone - plus others such as Dominic Cummings I'd imagine that it would also severely impact people living or working just outside the Circular Roads, and they wouldn't even have the option of a resident's discount. I suppose this confirms that the Tories have completely written off their already very slim chances of winning the London mayoralty next year. I took that as given when Bailey was selected There were rumblings about replacing him with someone electable, but nothing came of them. Find an electable tory at the moment. -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
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Congestion charge to N/S Circular??????
In message , at 10:36:03 on Sat, 17 Oct
2020, tim... remarked: "As part of temporary changes to the Congestion Charge, the residents' discount is closed to new applicants" ...to discourage car ownership in the CC zone. I suggest they'd never get away with that within the N/S circulars. Apart from anything else a lot of Assembly Members (and MPs) would be clobbered. but it's potentially being imposed upon these people by national government the opposition parties looking for re-election locally can argue that they have clean hands Which will be difficult when the mayor responsible for agreeing to the charge is from their party. -- Roland Perry |
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Congestion charge to N/S Circular??????
In message , at 10:06:04 on Sat, 17 Oct
2020, Recliner remarked: I'd imagine that it would also severely impact people living or working just outside the Circular Roads, and they wouldn't even have the option of a resident's discount. What's the situation with the existing CC? Do all London residents get the discount, or only those living inside the rather small zone itself -- Roland Perry |
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Congestion charge to N/S Circular??????
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 13:59:08 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:06:04 on Sat, 17 Oct 2020, Recliner remarked: I'd imagine that it would also severely impact people living or working just outside the Circular Roads, and they wouldn't even have the option of a resident's discount. What's the situation with the existing CC? Do all London residents get the discount, or only those living inside the rather small zone itself Your main home has to be in the zone to qualify, and the vehicle must be registered with the DVLA in your name and at the address you are using to apply for the discount. Otherwise it wouldn't be a *residents'* discount. |
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