On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 09:34:24 -0000, Paul Scott wrote:

Maybe they should proceed by stealth, and ask for notices bythe platform
roundels 'for Brick Lane' cf Maida Vale 'for Little Venice'. This wouldn't
require the entire system to have the maps changed, like they will for
'Shepherds Bush Market' in due course...

That's not much use for tourists - you wouldn't know what station to
head to for Brick Lane until you were already there...

Besides, they say in the BBC article (URL below) that it's the
advertising on the Tube map that they want.

A thought occurs - if they really want the station to have the same
name as their street, why don't they take the initiative and change
the name of the street to Aldgate East Lane?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6183977.stm

On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 06:18:00 -0000, John Rowland wrote:

Aldgate East station is in Whitechapel High Street. It should probably be
called Whitechapel, and Whitechapel should be called something else!

Forgot to add - Whitechapel is in Whitechapel Road. So by that logic
maybe they should be called Whitechapel West and Whitechapel East.

Moving along the line, Stepney Green and Mile End are both on Mile End
Road...

asdf wrote:

On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 06:18:00 -0000, John Rowland wrote:

Aldgate East station is in Whitechapel High Street. It should probably be
called Whitechapel, and Whitechapel should be called something else!

Forgot to add - Whitechapel is in Whitechapel Road. So by that logic
maybe they should be called Whitechapel West and Whitechapel East.

Moving along the line, Stepney Green and Mile End are both on Mile End
Road...

But Mile End is where it should be - a mile up the road from the City.
Tis named after a milestone. And the road is named after the place.

asdf wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 06:18:00 -0000, John Rowland wrote:

Aldgate East station is in Whitechapel High Street. It should
probably be called Whitechapel, and Whitechapel should be called
something else!

Forgot to add - Whitechapel is in Whitechapel Road. So by that logic
maybe they should be called Whitechapel West and Whitechapel East.

Surely Whitechapel Road means the road *to* Whitechapel, and a Londoner
going to Whitechapel Road would (rightly) not assume that Whitechapel was
the right station, anymore than anyone going to an address in Edgware Road
would expect Edgware to be the right station. However, anyone going to
Whitechapel High Street would quite reasonably expect it to be around
Whitechapel station.

"Paul Scott" wrote in
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"Tristán White" wrote in message
9.145...
What do you think of the petition by Brick Lane residents and shop
and restaurant owners to get Aldgate East renamed "Brick Lane" to
boost the area. Having lost Shoreditch station, they're getting a bit
of a rum deal at the moment.

Do they have much of a hope?


Maybe they should proceed by stealth, and ask for notices bythe
platform roundels 'for Brick Lane' cf Maida Vale 'for Little Venice'.
This wouldn't require the entire system to have the maps changed, like
they will for 'Shepherds Bush Market' in due course...
Paul



Something really should be done asap about Shepherds Bush. How confusing is
it to have two completely unconnected stations with exactly the same name.
I wonder how many unsuspecting tourists or lovers have agreed to meet
outside the exit of Shepherds Bush and never found one another....

With the West London Line opening, there'll be a third Shepherds Bush. Can
you interchange between the two existing ones on one journey à la Bow
Road/Church?

Shepherd's Bush Market will make a positive change. Renaming all three
would be even better. But the best option in my opinion, but probably
impossible from an engineering prospect, would be to keep all of them as
Shepherd's Bush and link them all via underground escalator walkways a like
Monument/Bank and Kings X/St P.

Other confusing ones include Hammersmith - two separate stations opposite
one another. But at least the two exits are close to one another, but
having Hammersmith North and Hammersmith South (or wherever they're facing)
would be simpler. Or better still, somehow link the two together and have
them down as two different exits from the same interchange.

Not sure about Paddington one - I think it's possible to get from one to
the other without going to street level isn't it? but you have to walk past
some NR platforms or something.... been a while since I went down there.

John Rowland wrote:

Tristán White wrote:
What do you think of the petition by Brick Lane residents and shop and
restaurant owners to get Aldgate East renamed "Brick Lane" to boost
the area.

I hope they don't get their way. The station isn't in Brick lane, or very
near it.

At the junction of St Helens Gardens and Oxford Gardens there is a sign
saying...

--- Latimer Road Station
Latimer Road ------

... or something similar. To me, this is a clear indication that Latimer
Road station needs to be renamed. If Aldgate East station was renamed to
Brick Lane, we would then need signs telling people that Brick Lane is this
way, but Brick Lane Station is that way.

The station be named Latimer Road for in the days of yore the south end
of Latimer Road was approximately where Freston Road be now, and I
believe the station may have been on the other side of Bramley Road,
though of that I cannot be sure.

The reconfiguration of the roads in that there area twas presumably a
result of the coming of the Westway, possibly with some prior 'help'
from the Luftwaffe.


Aldgate East station is in Whitechapel High Street. It should probably be
called Whitechapel, and Whitechapel should be called something else!

There's no convention in this country that says stations must be named
after the roads there on. Aldgate East is in the vicinity of Aldgate,
so I don't really buy that argument.

I can see a multitude of arguments for renaming many, many stations,
given that the names they were originally given were often somewhat
misleading. However renaming stations would be opening a real can of
worms, which is I'm sure one good reason why any such renamings are
rare. Plus once you've let the genie out of the bottle then everyone
would be knocking on the door of LU (or whoever's in charge of National
Rail station names) pestering them to change it for x,y or z worthy or
not-so-worthy reason. Yes I know Shepherd's Bush is having a name
change - but that's a change that pretty much everyone can agree on.

All that said, I'd go along with Latimer Road station as a prime
candidate for renaming, given the disappearance of the southern-end of
Latimer Road!

Additionally I've no objection to the use of "for" in station names -
"Aldgate East for Brick Lane" perhaps, though I'm sure Whitechapel Art
Gallery would want in on that too! (Many heading for the art gallery
head to Whitechapel station.) Of course using "for" naming is only so
helpful as it's impractical to include these subtitle names on maps
and/or line diagrams - though "Cutty Sark for Maritime Greenwich" has
managed to get a full namecheck on both the Tube map and the (ATOC
produced) London Connections map.

asdf wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 06:18:00 -0000, John Rowland wrote:

What do you think of the petition by Brick Lane residents and shop and
restaurant owners to get Aldgate East renamed "Brick Lane" to boost
the area.
I hope they don't get their way. The station isn't in Brick lane, or very
near it.

It would also invite a flurry of other requests to rename stations for
commercial purposes, and would leave LU with no excuse to deny those
requests. Look forward to Waterloo being renamed London Eye, etc. Does
the name of South Kensington get changed to Museum Central or Royal
Albert Hall? Perhaps they could hold auctions - highest bidder gets to
name their station.

IKEA Ampere Way tram stop?

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

Mizter T wrote:
John Rowland wrote:

Aldgate East station is in Whitechapel High Street. It should
probably be called Whitechapel, and Whitechapel should be called
something else!

There's no convention in this country that says stations must be named
after the roads there on. Aldgate East is in the vicinity of Aldgate,
so I don't really buy that argument.

No, it's in the vicinity of Whitechapel, as evidenced by the fact that it's
on Whitechapel High Street.

Yes I know Shepherd's Bush is having
a name change - but that's a change that pretty much everyone can
agree on.

I don't know... Shepherds Bush Market has an entrance opposite Goldhawk Road
station. People standing in the foyer of Goldhawk Road Station looking out
will naturally think the they are in Shepherds Bush Market station, and if
they are phoning to be picked up, this could lead to confusion.

Additionally I've no objection to the use of "for" in station names -
"Aldgate East for Brick Lane" perhaps, though I'm sure Whitechapel Art
Gallery would want in on that too! (Many heading for the art gallery
head to Whitechapel station.)

.... because the art gallery is on Whitechapel High Street.... which is why
Aldgate East should be called Whitechapel, and Whitechapel shouldn't be!

Tristán White wrote:
Something really should be done asap about Shepherds Bush.

I presume they've been waiting until Wood Lane station opens, and they
have to redo all the H&C maps anyway.

With the West London Line opening, there'll be a third Shepherds Bush. Can
you interchange between the two existing ones on one journey à la Bow
Road/Church?

No.

Renaming all three
would be even better. But the best option in my opinion, but probably
impossible from an engineering prospect, would be to keep all of them as
Shepherd's Bush.

Not really. The Central and WLL stations will have entrances on
opposite sides of the road into the new bus station, so interchange
should be easy and it makes sense to give them the same name. The H&C
station is nowhere near the other two.

U

In message . com,
Mizter T writes

The station be named Latimer Road for in the days of yore the south end
of Latimer Road was approximately where Freston Road be now, and I
believe the station may have been on the other side of Bramley Road,
though of that I cannot be sure.

You be correct. Originally the line had no station here at all, but when
one was built it was sited between Bramley Road and Latimer Road:

http://www.oldlondonmaps.com/stanfor...helsea02b.html
--
Paul Terry