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Oyster travel cap (z2-6 ) if travel is within 2-6 but fare is viaZ1 (UPDATED !!!)
Mizter T wrote: On 15 Feb, 11:23, wrote: This is especially for Mizter T but I hope that it may be of benefit to others. You may recall my proposed journey Greenford - Camden Road via Shepherd's Bush (London Overground), nor crossing into Z1 and the availability of my z2-6 YPRC cap on Oyster. I was told that perhaps breaking my journey at White City may force the cap. Well here is what happened. I had to go to Stratford to meet some friends first. Greenford - White City (Central Line ) = £1.10 Shepherd's Bush - Stratford ( London Overground, changing at Willesden Junction) = £2.20 Stratford - Camden Road ( London Overground) = £1.10 TOTAL = £4.40 [Z2-6 CAP = £3.00] I had thought that going from ShepB to Stratford via LO would have resulted in my fare being capped, obviously this did not happen. I was also charged for the Stratford - Camden Road journey. I queried this with Ticket Staff and they said that to get from Shepherd's Bush to Stratford I must have gone through Z1 and that I was going to reach my cap for the day when my Oyster usage reached £5.80 ( 1-6 cap). When I said I used LO via Willesden Junction and did not travel through Z1 they were flummoxed and said I should ring Customer Service. So can we conclude that Shepherds Bush (LO /WLL/NLL) - Stratford is a via Zone 1 journey / fare even though the obvious route of choice is not via the central line ( ie via z1) but via WLL/NLL ? Unfair ? Incorrect ? Yes, you can conclude that a Shepherd's Bush (LO/ WLL) to Stratford journey is assumed to be via zone 1. I can tell you this because that's what the TfL Fare finder tells me - specifically that the fare from "Shepherd's Bush [London Overground]" to "Stratford" is either £2.70 peak or £2.20 off-peak, and those are the zone 1-3 fares. TfL Fare finder: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tickets/fa...09/farefinder/ (snip) If you look at the TfL fare finder you'll see that "Shepherd's Bush [London Overground]" to "Camden Road" is charged at £1.10 (both peak and off-peak) - therefore if you had broken your journey at White City and travelled on from Shepherd's Bush (LO/WLL) only as far as Camden Road then I'm confident you'd be in line for the zone 2-6 cap of £4.60 (or £3.00 with a Railcard). Going to Stratford unfortunately pushes it over the edge to a via z1 fare. (snip) I'm not quite up to speed today! There's nothing wrong in what I said in the above post (apart perhaps from it being too verbose! - you'll see I've snipped some of what I quoted), however I failed to think of something really obvious! If you wanted to break a Shepherd's Bush to Stratford journey to ensure you only paid zone 2&3 fares and thus qualified for the z2-6 cap, at Willesden Jn station where you have to change from the WLL to the NLL train you could simply exit and then re-enter the station, i.e. go out of the gates and then back in them. This would mean you would pay for a Shepherd's Bush [LO] to Willesden Jn fare (zone 2), and then a separate Willesden Jn to Stratford fare (zone 2&3). On the way from Shepherd's Bush to Stratford one has a 17 minute wait for the next eastbound NLL train, so that's plenty of time for such things. Going the other way, from Stratford to Shepherd's Bush, one might have a tighter 6 minutes to do this in (or otherwise 21 minutes - the NLL is every 15 mins, the WLL is half-hourly, so it depends which NLL train you catch). However in my book that's more than enough time as long as you don't dilly dally when you get there (though this is all assuming that the NLL and WLL is running to time, perhaps a bad assumption to make!). Anyway, in the case of your example, you might only be coming back west from Camden Road, unless you go with your friends to Stratford and then come back on yourself. Note - all the times given are for middle of the day journeys, things are different late evening (when the NLL is ever 20 mins) and Sundays (when the NLL is half-hourly), so don't rely on me and check them first [1]. If you don't want people to think you're mad by exiting and then immediately re-entering the station, then Willesden Jn has two entrances with two separate gatelines - if you've enough time (and 6 minutes is not enough unless you run!) you could leave from one exit and re-enter the station through its other entrance. I realise this journey is now sounding like a real palaver - exit the Central line at White City, walk to Shepherd's Bush, exit and then re- enter Willesden Jn station! Which led me on to another thought... Forget about the WLL altogether! At White City you're not actually that far from Willesden Junction, and there is a frequent bus route, the 220, that goes from Wood Lane (the road directly outside White City station) up to Willesden Jn - it runs every 6-10 mins and is scheduled to take 11 minutes to get to the eastern side way entrance to Willesden Jn station (off Harlesden High Street), or otherwise 14 minutes to get to the western (main) entrance. You can see the 220 on this map of bus routes from White City - it goes from bus stop WE opposite the station entrance: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/gettingaro...field-2447.pdf This is the bus route map around Willesden Jn - the eastern side entrance to the station is I think right next to bus stop H, the one that's named "Harrow Road/ Scrubs Lane": http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/gettingaro...ation-2301.pdf Alternatively stay on the bus to arrive at the main station entrance on Station Approach. By the by the side entrance is actually quite useful, as the buses can get a but stuck in traffic going through Harlesden to get to the main station entrance, though the side way in is possibly somewhere you might want to avoid at night. This bird's eye view shows where it is in relation to Harlesden High Street (which the map incorrectly labels as Harrow Road) - the bus stop is just on the bridge, the entrance is down those stairs off the bridge and then pan the map to the west/ left and you'll come to the station: http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?cp...&style=b&lvl=2 I think there could well be something in this route - the WLL service is after all only half-hourly (this is set to improve in the future, but not quite yet) so you might end up waiting around for a long time at Shepherd's Bush, only to have to wait around for longer at Willesden Jn. The 220 meanwhile is a decent and direct bus route - there's also the 228 that links White City with Willesden Jn though it does look as if it goes round the houses a bit. I'd say this route would likely provide a better chance of catching an eastbound NLL train from Willesden Jn earlier than if one was to go via Shepherd's Bush, resulting in a quicker end-to-end journey. And of course it would qualify for the z2-6 cap too! ---------- [1] If you haven't come across it before this is a good site for train times - all the information comes directly from the National Rail journey planner but is presented in a more basic less flashy way: http://traintimes.org.uk/ |
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