On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:59:14 +0100, Robin Mayes wrote:
I just hope
they iron out the "issues" that are already in evidence before PAYG is
introduced though.

What issues are those?

David

On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:59:24 +0100, Steve Naïve wrote:
David Walters wrote in
:

On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:59:14 +0100, Robin Mayes
wrote:
I just hope
they iron out the "issues" that are already in evidence before PAYG
is introduced though.

What issues are those?

For example, as someone just pointed out, that apparently you will be
charged 'full price' (possibly a full zone 1-6 travelcard)

I think it will be a highest price single (zone 1-D, 5.30 I think).

if your journey
appears to be incomplete. That is if the scanners aren't working, or if
the gates are open at the destination

Scanner reliability is yet to be seen but it's likely that the stand
alone units will be very reliable since they don't have any moving
parts or openings to get jammed. If the gates are open you need to
remember to scan your card at a validator. That requires learning
a new habit which wont take long for most people.

What else could Oyster do for an incomplete journey?

David

On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:56:42 +0100, "spammy" wrote:


LOL! "my lovelife has improved loads since i got my oyster...."

Or a variation of the "Love is..." series (not leaving litter, moving
down the carriage etc):

"Love is... an oyster"


Cheers,

Jason.

On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 09:00:54 GMT,
(Nick Cooper) wrote:

We've already heard horror stories that with PAYG we'll get charged
the full whack for a supposed "incomplete journey" if the gates are
open/not working and you don't/can't swipe the card at the other end.
A lot of the Oyster documentation/the web-site is pretty vague at the
best of times, but I don't think I've seen anything "official" that
even mentions extensions.

Yes - the OysterCard helpline advised me that a PAYG fare will be a
zone 1-6 single. If the journey is less than this, the right fare will
update overnight based upon the zone where the Oyster was scanned upon
exit.

For non-season ticket holders, this is going to involve much checking
- I certainly don't trust LUL of TfL to get the fare values right, and
would verifiy that I have been charged correctly.

Places like Finsbury Park with no barriers will be fun! I assume
scanners will be put in place, but many will be needed.


Cheers,

Jason.

On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 12:42:35 +0100, Jason Hobbs King wrote:
Yes - the OysterCard helpline advised me that a PAYG fare will be a
zone 1-6 single. If the journey is less than this, the right fare will
update overnight based upon the zone where the Oyster was scanned upon
exit.

I was lead to believe that the right fare would be updated on exit
and this would be shown on the exit gate. Looks like we will have
to wait until it goe slive to actually know.

Places like Finsbury Park with no barriers will be fun! I assume
scanners will be put in place, but many will be needed.

Finsbury Park has had validators for months. The only place I know
of that doesn't have them is one exit of Finchley Central and they
have been digging that up this week. Most of them are off or closed
but I assume that will be fixed before PAYG goes live.

David

In Steve Naïve wrote:
David Walters wrote in
:

On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:59:14 +0100, Robin Mayes
wrote:
I just hope
they iron out the "issues" that are already in evidence before PAYG
is introduced though.

What issues are those?

For example, as someone just pointed out, that apparently you will be
charged 'full price' (possibly a full zone 1-6 travelcard) if your
journey appears to be incomplete. That is if the scanners aren't
working, or if the gates are open at the destination

At the moment, it looks like even if the gates are open, the scanners on
the gates can still be active. Of course, LU would have to educate
customers to pass their Oyster card over the scanner whether or not they
needed to in order to open the gate.


Mark

(Nick Cooper 625) wrote in message . com...
My flatmate has a monthly Zone 2-3 TC on her shiny new Oyster card.
What's the deal at the moment with ticket extensions if she needs to
travel into Zone 1?

I have a z1-2 card and on a couple of trips to Heathrow I have done
exactly what I used to do, bought an extension from the ticket booth.
It would be nice to do this online but to be honest I'm not sure I
would be organised enough!

FWIW on both occasions the ticket seller has not actually checked that
my oyster covers the zones I have told them it does. I guess in theory
i could tell them it is z1-5.

On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 12:10:00 GMT, Mark Etherington wrote:
At the moment, it looks like even if the gates are open, the scanners on
the gates can still be active. Of course, LU would have to educate
customers to pass their Oyster card over the scanner whether or not they
needed to in order to open the gate.

Which they do.

"On the Tube you must touch your card on the card reader
when you enter the gates and also when you exit, even if
the gates are open."

Seems fairly clear to me.

David

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On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:59:24 +0100, Steve Naïve wrote:
David Walters wrote in
:

On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:59:14 +0100, Robin Mayes
wrote:
I just hope
they iron out the "issues" that are already in evidence before PAYG
is introduced though.

What issues are those?

For example, as someone just pointed out, that apparently you will be
charged 'full price' (possibly a full zone 1-6 travelcard)

I think it will be a highest price single (zone 1-D, 5.30 I think).

if your journey
appears to be incomplete. That is if the scanners aren't working, or if
the gates are open at the destination

I have a 1,2,3 travelcard. I travel from Leytonstone to Stratford on the
tube and then get the Great Eastern train to Romford. I do not need to exit
the barriers for this interchange.

Are there Scanners on the platforms (There are at Walthmstow Central BR) ?
Otherwise my journey will appear incomplete.
Will it cause a problem on a monthly Oyster ?

On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:42:47 +0000 (UTC), simon wrote:
I have a 1,2,3 travelcard. I travel from Leytonstone to Stratford on the
tube and then get the Great Eastern train to Romford. I do not need to exit
the barriers for this interchange.

Are there Scanners on the platforms (There are at Walthmstow Central BR) ?
Otherwise my journey will appear incomplete.
Will it cause a problem on a monthly Oyster ?

Season tickets don't need scanning (although LT would like you to)
as you have paid a flat rate so they don't need your journey data
to charge you the relevant fare. Mainline stations that accept
non-Travelcard LT tickets[1] should have readers.

David

[1] Those listed in the Conditions of Carriage notes section B.