"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 17:04:26 on Fri, 23 Nov
2012, Graeme Wall remarked:
and if any problems (For example, someone misses an important
appointment that they would otherwise have attended) arise because of
this, you can be sued by the TOC for damages.

What if I'm the one late for an appointment, and the ToC can mitigate
their loss by dropping me off en-route?

If you are the one that's late you've got no case against them

I have a case, because it was their train that broke down, ripped up the
OHL, or whatever the reason was they had to find a RRB.

Everyone on the bus is already an hour late for whatever it was they were
going to be doing.


Do tell us of your thoughts for the bus driver who was sitting down with his
family at home, about to watch his favourite progamme on the telly, when the
phone rang and a voice said:-

"Hi, Fred, Blakey here... fancy a bit of overtime? it'll take you ten
minutes to get into the depot, we'll have 777 ready for you with the
paperwork, just take it up to (insert some station thirty miles away) and
report to the railway people, run a shuttle up as far as Guildford, as
required, don't know what time you'll finish, we'll try and cover your
roster tommorow morning".

And it's the Freds of this world who drop what they are doing and get
thoughtless pratts like YOU home.

In message , at 20:57:16 on Fri,
23 Nov 2012, Mike Bristow remarked:

In addition to all that, there may be some H&S issues about where
a driver may allow passengers to disenbark; I can imagine that a
risk assesment may be required for any potential drop off/pick up
site;

It would be a bit surprising if a normal bus-stop was regarded as
unsafe.

Public transport is about doing the bestest for the mostest; a
door-to-door service is something you get from your car or a taxi.

Station to bus stop you were passing already; not door to door.
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Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 20:57:16 on Fri, 23
Nov 2012, Mike Bristow remarked:

In addition to all that, there may be some H&S issues about where
a driver may allow passengers to disenbark; I can imagine that a
risk assesment may be required for any potential drop off/pick up
site;

It would be a bit surprising if a normal bus-stop was regarded as unsafe.

I have known bus stops to be deemed unsafe for certain types of bus.



Public transport is about doing the bestest for the mostest; a
door-to-door service is something you get from your car or a taxi.

Station to bus stop you were passing already; not door to door.

No. Station to station if you are using a train service (which MAY be
provided by a bus or a taxi at the expense of the train operator)

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Roland Perry

In message , at
14:45:10 on Sat, 24 Nov 2012, Portsmouth Rider
remarked:

It would be a bit surprising if a normal bus-stop was regarded as unsafe.

I have known bus stops to be deemed unsafe for certain types of bus.

All bus stops unsafe with certain types of bus, or just a few stops in
combination wit a few buses?

(And once again the thread descends down a rathole where common sense
has been thrown out of the window.)
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Roland Perry

In message , at 11:23:05 on Sat, 24 Nov
2012, Graeme Wall remarked:
As for running a faux-local-bus-service, I doubt if anyone on such buses
wants to be there. They'd rather be on the train that was cancelled.

It's ridiculous to expect someone might be hovering at the railway
station on the off-chance of a bustitution that might go past their
house.

Not if they are aware if the bustitution and know the route it will
have to take.

If they are aware, but in order to be aware they either need to be
hovering at the railway station waiting for the off-chance that the OHL
will collapse, or monitoring the ToC's twitter feed so they can rush to
the railway station rather than their regular bus stop.

These are extreme corner cases.

Well those seem to be your favourites.

This time it's your corner cases that I'm saying shouldn't be dictating
general policy.
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Roland Perry

In message , at 19:42:31 on Fri, 23
Nov 2012, John Williamson remarked:

Clearing snow can leave you responsible for the consequences if you do
it and don't leave a safe surface.

Not since the "Snow Code" was introduced two years ago.

Seems we need a "Bustitution Code" too...
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Roland Perry

In message , at 09:36:57 on Sat, 24
Nov 2012, Graeme Wall remarked:
If all the station has is a bit of passing country road, that's what
they need to use. The contract won't require the bus operator to install
a bus stop.

It will require them to stop at a designated place.

"Second tree along from the bend in the road, next to the muddy grass
verge"? Because that's all there is.

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Roland Perry

In message , at
14:28:29 on Sat, 24 Nov 2012, Portsmouth Rider
remarked:
But there are official bus stops in the High Street.

But the RRS bus is not authorised to use them.

Authorised by whom?

The RSS is not authorised, by virtue of the operator not possessing a valid
licence for the RSS to operate a local bus service

But it's not a local bus service. It's an emergency bustitution.
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Roland Perry

In message , at 09:37:41 on Sat, 24
Nov 2012, Graeme Wall remarked:
and if any problems (For example, someone misses an important
appointment that they would otherwise have attended) arise because of
this, you can be sued by the TOC for damages.

What if I'm the one late for an appointment, and the ToC can mitigate
their loss by dropping me off en-route?

If you are the one that's late you've got no case against them

I have a case, because it was their train that broke down, ripped up the
OHL, or whatever the reason was they had to find a RRB.

Read the T&Cs

The ones that say if me getting off the bus delays it another few
seconds[1], none of the other passengers can sue either? Those T&C?

[1] Or not, if all it means is getting to the next red traffic light a
bit later.
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Roland Perry

In message , at
14:35:16 on Sat, 24 Nov 2012, Portsmouth Rider
remarked:
Do tell us of your thoughts for the bus driver who was sitting down with his
family at home, about to watch his favourite progamme on the telly, when the
phone rang and a voice said:-

"Hi, Fred, Blakey here... fancy a bit of overtime? it'll take you ten
minutes to get into the depot, we'll have 777 ready for you with the
paperwork, just take it up to (insert some station thirty miles away) and
report to the railway people, run a shuttle up as far as Guildford, as
required, don't know what time you'll finish, we'll try and cover your
roster tommorow morning".

And it's the Freds of this world who drop what they are doing and get
thoughtless pratts like YOU home.

The thoughtless pratts are the people who think it's clever to make the
bus passengers walk a mile in the dark and the rain, rather than
dropping them off somewhere more convenient that they happened to be
passing.

To suggest this makes Fred (who isn't the only person in the world to
get asked to do unscheduled overtime - every passenger on the bus has
lost an hour of their evening too) get back home a minute or two later
is over-egging the situation to the point of absurdity. A hundred other
things might make him later too, like getting lost on the way ad having
to ask the passengers for directions.

This inflexible attitude is exactly what gives the railways such a poor
reputation, and means a lot of people won't even consider using them.
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Roland Perry